Comments on: With Blood and Steel http://samsonblinded.org/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:09:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Elliott http://samsonblinded.org/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113853 Elliott Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:17:41 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm#comment-113853 What is so disturbing about this article is the fact that its author actually looks to the Nazis as a comparative model for emulation in an ethnic cleansing campaign in Israel — Palestine. Similarly, the author evaluates — without emotion — the American government's campaign of massacre, forced migration, and ethnic cleansing against America's native inhabitants. The language the author uses in this piece is taken directly out of the Racism 101 textbook, and would have made Hitler proud. To shroud ethnic cleansing in the cloak of rationalism, realpolitik, and necessity is exactly what the 20th century's worst tyrants excelled at doing. It never ceases to amaze me the extent to which Jewish Israelis are incapable of looking in the mirror of history. What is so disturbing about this article is the fact that its author actually looks to the Nazis as a comparative model for emulation in an ethnic cleansing campaign in Israel — Palestine. Similarly, the author evaluates — without emotion — the American government’s campaign of massacre, forced migration, and ethnic cleansing against America’s native inhabitants. The language the author uses in this piece is taken directly out of the Racism 101 textbook, and would have made Hitler proud. To shroud ethnic cleansing in the cloak of rationalism, realpolitik, and necessity is exactly what the 20th century’s worst tyrants excelled at doing. It never ceases to amaze me the extent to which Jewish Israelis are incapable of looking in the mirror of history.

]]> By: Simon Yahudi http://samsonblinded.org/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113849 Simon Yahudi Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:12:11 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm#comment-113849 You have been mistaken and underestimated. Land belong to not only to Arabs but all Ummah Wahida. The phrase Ummah Wahida in the Qur'an (the "One Community") refers to all of the Islamic world unified. The Quran says: “You [Muslims] are the best nation brought out for Mankind, commanding what is righteous and forbidding what is wrong ..” [3:110] The Constitution of Medina, an early document said to have been negotiated by Muhammad in AD 622 with the leading clans of Medina, explicitly refers to Jewish and pagan citizens of Medina as members of the "Ummah". Remember words of Abdülhamid refused Theodor Herzl's offers to pay down a substantial portion of the Ottoman debt in exchange for a charter allowing the Zionists access to Palestine. "to have the scalpel cut my body is less painful than to witness Palestine being detached from the Khilafah state and this is not going to happen ...let the Jews keep their millions and once the Khilafah is torn apart one day, then they can take Palestine without a price." "to have the scalpel cut my body is less painful than to witness Palestine being detached from the Khilafah state and this is not going to happen ...let the Jews keep their millions and once the Khilafah is torn apart one day, then they can take Palestine without a price." Same apply you will have to kill 1.66 billion muslim population of the world. Land of Israel belongs to locals, arabs, jews, armenians not to zionist immigrants. Diaspora Jews descended from converts and have no historical connections with Israel.” Romans did not expel the Jews from Palestine, the Jewish people's exile from its land never happened and that today’s Palestinians are actually partial descendants of Jews. the rest of the Middle Eastern and European Jewish population was converted to Judaism, which directly challenges the Zionist idea that Palestine is the rightful homeland of all Jewish people. No population remains pure over a period of thousands of years. But the chances that the Palestinians are descendants of the ancient Judaic people are much greater than the chances that you or I are its descendents. The first Zionists, up until the Arab Revolt [1936-9], knew that there had been no exiling, and that the Palestinians were descended from the inhabitants of the land. They knew that farmers don't leave until they are expelled. Even Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, the second president of the State of Israel, wrote in 1929 that, 'the vast majority of the peasant farmers do not have their origins in the Arab conquerors, but rather, before then, in the Jewish farmers who were numerous and a majority in the building of the land.'" You have been mistaken and underestimated. Land belong to not only to Arabs but all Ummah Wahida.

The phrase Ummah Wahida in the Qur’an (the “One Community”) refers to all of the Islamic world unified. The Quran says: “You [Muslims] are the best nation brought out for Mankind, commanding what is righteous and forbidding what is wrong ..” [3:110]

The Constitution of Medina, an early document said to have been negotiated by Muhammad in AD 622 with the leading clans of Medina, explicitly refers to Jewish and pagan citizens of Medina as members of the “Ummah”.

Remember words of Abdülhamid refused Theodor Herzl’s offers to pay down a substantial portion of the Ottoman debt in exchange for a charter allowing the Zionists access to Palestine.

“to have the scalpel cut my body is less painful than to witness Palestine being detached from the Khilafah state and this is not going to happen …let the Jews keep their millions and once the Khilafah is torn apart one day, then they can take Palestine without a price.”

“to have the scalpel cut my body is less painful than to witness Palestine being detached from the Khilafah state and this is not going to happen …let the Jews keep their millions and once the Khilafah is torn apart one day, then they can take Palestine without a price.” Same apply you will have to kill 1.66 billion muslim population of the world.

Land of Israel belongs to locals, arabs, jews, armenians not to zionist immigrants.

Diaspora Jews descended from converts and have no historical connections with Israel.” Romans did not expel the Jews from Palestine, the Jewish people’s exile from its land never happened and that today’s Palestinians are actually partial descendants of Jews. the rest of the Middle Eastern and European Jewish population was converted to Judaism, which directly challenges the Zionist idea that Palestine is the rightful homeland of all Jewish people.

No population remains pure over a period of thousands of years. But the chances that the Palestinians are descendants of the ancient Judaic people are much greater than the chances that you or I are its descendents. The first Zionists, up until the Arab Revolt [1936-9], knew that there had been no exiling, and that the Palestinians were descended from the inhabitants of the land. They knew that farmers don’t leave until they are expelled. Even Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, the second president of the State of Israel, wrote in 1929 that, ‘the vast majority of the peasant farmers do not have their origins in the Arab conquerors, but rather, before then, in the Jewish farmers who were numerous and a majority in the building of the land.’”

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113848 Danny the Admin Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:26:10 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm#comment-113848 I agree with you that as long as Arabs exist Israel can never live in security. Fortunately, as humanity develops substitute fuels, Arabs won't be able to support their military expenditures. I agree with you that as long as Arabs exist Israel can never live in security. Fortunately, as humanity develops substitute fuels, Arabs won’t be able to support their military expenditures.

]]> By: Philip http://samsonblinded.org/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113837 Philip Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:10:32 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm#comment-113837 The Serbs attempted to do the same in Bosnia. What you are proposing is called "ethnic cleansing" in the civilized world. And perpetrators will end up in the Hague. I don't believe that anyone here wishes to go to the Hague for reasons other then tourism and diplomacy. The Serbs attempted to do the same in Bosnia. What you are proposing is called “ethnic cleansing” in the civilized world. And perpetrators will end up in the Hague. I don’t believe that anyone here wishes to go to the Hague for reasons other then tourism and diplomacy.

]]> By: Philip http://samsonblinded.org/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113836 Philip Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:07:09 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm#comment-113836 We should be glad that he didn't live long enough to see what we've done to his dream. We should be glad that he didn’t live long enough to see what we’ve done to his dream.

]]> By: Salahuldin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113835 Salahuldin Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:29:47 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm#comment-113835 Whoever wrote this article must have been smoking something to be able to image all this and twist the facts and history in this way to try and achieve his end. Israel's security is not by throwing out whoever is left of the Arabs... sorry, Aboriginis, and live in a Fortress Israel because no power and no fortress lasted forever and sooner or later the Arabs will come back to claim what's righfully theirs. The Arabs will never ever give up Jerusalem, not now, not ever. The crusaders controlled Palestine for 220 years before they were thrown out by the sword and this exactly what will happen to Israel. Israel' security comes from integration rather than isolation. Integration with its Arab neighbours and being accepted by them and this comes only with peace. Give back to the Palestinians what's righfully theirs and live in peace otherwise you will never know peace in "the promised land", and remember, who lives by the sword dies by the sword. Whoever wrote this article must have been smoking something to be able to image all this and twist the facts and history in this way to try and achieve his end.
Israel’s security is not by throwing out whoever is left of the Arabs… sorry, Aboriginis, and live in a Fortress Israel because no power and no fortress lasted forever and sooner or later the Arabs will come back to claim what’s righfully theirs. The Arabs will never ever give up Jerusalem, not now, not ever. The crusaders controlled Palestine for 220 years before they were thrown out by the sword and this exactly what will happen to Israel.
Israel’ security comes from integration rather than isolation. Integration with its Arab neighbours and being accepted by them and this comes only with peace. Give back to the Palestinians what’s righfully theirs and live in peace otherwise you will never know peace in “the promised land”, and remember, who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113829 Danny the Admin Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:35:30 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm#comment-113829 Philip from Herzliya... Herzl had a different dream. Philip from Herzliya… Herzl had a different dream.

]]> By: Philip http://samsonblinded.org/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113827 Philip Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:33:27 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm#comment-113827 I am outraged by the flash banner you have placed in Jerusalem Post. Islam blows up Jerusalem? If anybody did want to blow anything up in Jerusalem, they were Jews. If your memory is not that short. I am outraged by the flash banner you have placed in Jerusalem Post. Islam blows up Jerusalem? If anybody did want to blow anything up in Jerusalem, they were Jews. If your memory is not that short.

]]> By: Axel http://samsonblinded.org/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113824 Axel Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:49:12 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm#comment-113824 Here is why your reasoning is weak: 1. Israel was established in the territory colonized by the European powers after the WWII. The territory was carved out for the Jews by the agreement between the Brits, the Americans, the French and the Russians. It implied a beginning of a new era of respect in the area of individual human rights, tolerance, diversity, multiculturalism etc. The attitude toward what is perceived as injustice changed. This tolerance allowed the Jews to prosper not only in Israel (with the European and US weapons and subsidies of course) but elsewhere, including the US, in spite of the never dying anti-semitism. ISRAEL never conquered the territory from the aboriginals (the massacre of unprepared arab villagers does not count), in the of Khengis Khan, Alexander the Great, the USA and Spain as you mention. The parallel is not applicable. Even when Israel defended itself in later years it was again with the military help of Americans, and French and Brits. LIke a sick child, Israel depend on the adults for survival. (The adults are in this case: the jews in the diaspora, the US and the the Europe). So the problem is that the birth of Israel on humanitarian grounds makes it not only morally wrong, but impossible the extermination of the Palestinians that you propose. At the first attempt to do that Israel will immediately loose the support of the West, because it linked to the perception of the Jews as historical victims of persecution. Once the Jews loose their upper moral stand, it will be the end for Israel. Here is why your reasoning is weak:

1. Israel was established in the territory colonized by the European powers after the WWII. The territory was carved out for the Jews by the agreement between the Brits, the Americans, the French and the Russians. It implied a beginning of a new era of respect in the area of individual human rights, tolerance, diversity, multiculturalism etc. The attitude toward what is perceived as injustice changed.

This tolerance allowed the Jews to prosper not only in Israel (with the European and US weapons and subsidies of course) but elsewhere, including the US, in spite of the never dying anti-semitism.

ISRAEL never conquered the territory from the aboriginals (the massacre of unprepared arab villagers does not count), in the of Khengis Khan, Alexander the Great, the USA and Spain as you mention. The parallel is not applicable.

Even when Israel defended itself in later years it was again with the military help of Americans, and French and Brits.

LIke a sick child, Israel depend on the adults for survival. (The adults are in this case: the jews in the diaspora, the US and the the Europe).

So the problem is that the birth of Israel on humanitarian grounds makes it not only morally wrong, but impossible the extermination of the Palestinians that you propose.

At the first attempt to do that Israel will immediately loose the support of the West, because it linked to the perception of the Jews as historical victims of persecution. Once the Jews loose their upper moral stand, it will be the end for Israel.

]]> By: NormanF http://samsonblinded.org/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112374 NormanF Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:12:06 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/with-blood-and-steel.htm#comment-112374 David, as the author of this blog has pointed out, Israel's present policy of indecision both offends the Arabs and angers the world. The Arabs do not see why Israel is not giving them their due and the world doesn't understand why the Jews employ trickery and deceit to hold up a peace settlement. A principled Israel policy would be to treat the Arabs as enemy aliens and work to remove them from the country and annex the liberated areas to the State Of Israel. The Arabs would respect Israel and the world would acknowledge the right of the victor to protect his interests. Israel's present policy is injurious to its welfare and the weakness on display incites the world against it and sets the stage for the next war. A resolute Israel would neither be concerned about world pressure or live in fear of another war. David, as the author of this blog has pointed out, Israel’s present policy of indecision both offends the Arabs and angers the world. The Arabs do not see why Israel is not giving them their due and the world doesn’t understand why the Jews employ trickery and deceit to hold up a peace settlement. A principled Israel policy would be to treat the Arabs as enemy aliens and work to remove them from the country and annex the liberated areas to the State Of Israel. The Arabs would respect Israel and the world would acknowledge the right of the victor to protect his interests. Israel’s present policy is injurious to its welfare and the weakness on display incites the world against it and sets the stage for the next war. A resolute Israel would neither be concerned about world pressure or live in fear of another war.

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