And what about the Jewish withdrawal from Gaza? How come Rav Elyashiv and his Moetza supported giving Gaza to the Arabs?

And if you tell me that the ultra-ortodox don’t agree, where was the protest against Rav Ovadia, and how come that his popularity only grew after Oslo? Where was the protest against Rav Elyashiv’s support for Sharon?

Is this Haredi behavior the result of the learning that protects Israel? Or, perhaps, is Obadiah describing the Haredi world a little too poetically?

Obadaiah writes as a poet in love, avoiding the truth about his loved one. The facts on the ground show the Haredim as a whole do not care a bit about the Land. Many hold it is assur to live in Yeduha and Shomron. Pikuach Nefesh. Our gedolim. Provocations. Wait for Moshiach.

And talking about Pikuach Nefesh, I have a little question. Is smoking perhaps one of the Mitzvot that is not put aside by Pikuach Nefesh? How else can we explain the facts on the street? I know the Tsitz Eliezer was clear. There are still great people, but to them, it seems, nobody is listening. Perhaps the truth invalidates the greatness that a gadol needs? Perhaps one has to support some atrocity, ban some thinking, to be gadol?

Perhaps Obadiah will say the Haredi world cannot protest against their Gedolim. After all, he will claim, with added lyrics, the gedoylim are the gedoylim. How many times much one be wrong before one is no longer a Gadol?

And wrong they are, all the time. Ask them something you can validate. Does the Earth turn around it axis and how old is would it be? What about the ban of Rav Slivkin? Did some apologize for the results of “Land for Peace”? Great people, these gedolim.

Sometimes you wonder if there still some truth that survived the learning. Lyrics does not suffice, Obadiah. The truth will do.

The baiting is in the hands of Heaven. It is to wake us up, while Obadiah wants to put us back to sleep. Blame the left, sleep well, Obadiah.

Haredim do not extort. Israel bribes them. Instead of the subsidies, just allow them to work. Now the haredim are relegated to balck economy because they don’t serve in the army.

Very nice backhand yourself, a bit on the dry side tho’.

But just take Obadiah’s closing point and invert it.

I’m sure that a majority of Jews would agree it’s far more Jewish in spirit to first ask of your own what you’d ask of others while the other way around makes a much better argument for hypocrisy and, ironically enough, since we’re all Semites, anti-Semitism.

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It’s also far more unreasonable for the haredim to extort funding (not ‘subsidies’ as the term applies to grants that benefit the public at large) from a state whose very existence violates their advocated and antiquated precepts – than to refuse military service on those grounds. And as for all their hifalutin scruples, I refer you to Obadiah; “Subsidies (…) bribe the haredim into keeping quiet about the state’s anti-Jewish policies.”

So much for integrity and mutuality.

Of course, if we are indeed conscripting them to ‘unjust wars’, as you put in, or requesting they ‘share the security burden created by the leftists’, as Obadiah states, then woe onto us suckers who are neither leftists nor were made aware of the choice of kosher and non-kosher war before us. Sign me up for happy-hour patrol.

The late William A. Henry III said, “It is scarcely the same thing to put a man on the moon as to put a bone in your nose.” And yes, there’s a number of colossal bones in our collective schnozzle, but that aside, allow me to paraphrase Mr. Henry; it is scarcely the same thing to put your son on the line as to put a line in your son.

And on that fine distinction our future may well depend upon.

Thanks for listening,
Guringo

To Guringo: well put. But again, Obadiah doesn’t defend subsidies to haredim. Nor does he pronounce their strain of Judaism correct. Haredim are a useful pole of highly visible Judaism that somewhat balance off the socialist government. It is unreasonable to conscript them to unjust wars caused specifically by violating the precepts that the haredim advocate. And three,while undoubtedly most Israelis detest subsidies to Arabs, there is a handful of right-wing voices who openly advocate ending Jewish aid to Arabs, while there is a strong chorus of Jewish opposition to subsidies to haredim. Compare printed words, not mere feelings and you would agree that the Jews shamefully concentrate on the politically correct option of doing away with haredim rather than Arabs.

When two parties enter an agreement – any agreement- that’s one thing but this ‘haredim playing the female role to our secular-modern male’ is more akin to a disturbed elderly woman insisting she’s your girlfriend.

Did any of us ever, ‘Sure, move right in, park your stuff anywhere, here’s some money and now tell me what I can and cannot do’? -No.

Ever heard someone – ‘You complete me, Haradi-baby’? Never.

‘You’re my beacon of light in a sea of black hats’? Unh-unh.

See, it’s all in their heads.

Of course if this is really God’s idea of the perfect household, who am I to say ‘broom-on back to medieval times, bitch’? But it isn’t and I do.

Your closing argument states we start with the Arabs because they receive more and deserve less. Otherwise, our tolerance of an alleged bigger leech makes us not only hypocrites but also anti-Semites. Or more precisely, anti-pure-Semites.

Cute, but here’s me and most Israelis and we can and do object to subsidizing and/or accommodating any sense of entitlement from -watch this- both the arabs and the haredim -and anybody else who thinks he’s a vip member of an endangered species. That, btw, is pretty much the consensus among all the tax-paying working stiffs of the world, not just us second-rate, anti-Semitic, hypocritical Jews.

Hypocracist. Someone who claims he cannot be a hypocrite because there are bigger hypocrites than him, so anyone calling him one must then be a racist. I’m not sure I get it either.

Pedagog’n'magog. A term for undertaking, or –going, 16 hrs a day of religious studies. And no, the indoctrination does not ‘sustain’ anything except a life-support system for said doctrines. It does so thru the propagation of human-carriers within insulated, dead to the world, communal organisms. Unfortunately, and I really mean it, no religion is doctrine-free, hence no religion is immune to radicalization. Judaism, in this regard, is no exception; some of us just couldn’t help themselves and had to go ‘ultra’ on the rest of us, even while the same doctrines explicitly warn and forbid against religious immoderation.

So yes, bottom line, we’re all in for some chemo.

Neo-Jew. A neo-Jew is one who believes in the purity of his piety and the superiority of his g’race. A black-coat, and hat, full of self-dread for the ominous love of a dread-appreciative God (also known as Oy’veyism). They don’t hate you; they just disdain the shit out of you.

Anti-Neo-Jew. That, yes, would be me. But don’t get me wrong, I’m also anti-neo-muslim and ‘anti-’ every other ‘neo’ and ‘ism’ out there, because when all is said and done, there’s only one true ‘neo’ and that’s neo-your-own-damn-life. The rest will fall in place or apart, either way, welcome to the new age.

-G

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