Comments on: Trade Olmert even for Ovadia Yosef http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:09:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Nobody http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm/comment-page-1#comment-102802 Nobody Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:58:23 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm#comment-102802 Listen a Jewish leader would be great, and anyone with an ounce of understanding can see that Israel wouldn't need to be necessarily a "halachik state" in order to be a Jewish state, and there are many routes to get there within the boundaries of the Torah and Jewish law (I'm still waiting for someone to show me where in the Shulchan aruch it describes how a Jewish state and Jewish govt should be run). There is room for much creativity and ingenuity here. _ It's a "religious boogeyman" that is thrown at people to make them fear Jewish identity or fear a leadership that believes in G-d or Jewish principles. It's not going to turn the state into a whole country of satmar colonies. _ That being said, one must point out the obvious here. Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef endorsed Oslo. _ I will just leave it at that. Listen a Jewish leader would be great, and anyone with an ounce of understanding can see that Israel wouldn’t need to be necessarily a “halachik state” in order to be a Jewish state, and there are many routes to get there within the boundaries of the Torah and Jewish law (I’m still waiting for someone to show me where in the Shulchan aruch it describes how a Jewish state and Jewish govt should be run). There is room for much creativity and ingenuity here.
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It’s a “religious boogeyman” that is thrown at people to make them fear Jewish identity or fear a leadership that believes in G-d or Jewish principles. It’s not going to turn the state into a whole country of satmar colonies.
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That being said, one must point out the obvious here.
Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef endorsed Oslo.
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I will just leave it at that.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm/comment-page-1#comment-102787 Danny the Admin Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:32:00 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm#comment-102787 Actually, haredim receive very little from the government, more from private donations. A lot of haredim work for living. Actually, haredim receive very little from the government, more from private donations. A lot of haredim work for living.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm/comment-page-1#comment-102786 Danny the Admin Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:30:32 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm#comment-102786 Whatever the case, we don't advocate an ultra-religious state, just a minimally religious one. Whatever the case, we don’t advocate an ultra-religious state, just a minimally religious one.

]]> By: T-Jew http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm/comment-page-1#comment-102160 T-Jew Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:25:10 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm#comment-102160 Trade Olmert for Obadiah Shoher. lol Trade Olmert for Obadiah Shoher. lol

]]> By: Ray Bright http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm/comment-page-1#comment-101157 Ray Bright Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:28:41 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm#comment-101157 Obadiah, What's wrong with making place for both secular and religious Jews in Israel? (Personally I would be OK with business closures on Saturday, just don't force circumcision, and other religious rules on others. I think it is insane to weaken the Jewish nation by creating a division between religious and non-religious Jews. Please, Obadiah, use your gifts to inspire unity rather than division. Obadiah,
What’s wrong with making place for both secular and religious Jews in Israel?
(Personally I would be OK with business closures on Saturday, just don’t force circumcision, and other religious rules on others.
I think it is insane to weaken the Jewish nation by creating a division between religious and non-religious Jews.
Please, Obadiah, use your gifts to inspire unity rather than division.

]]> By: Eliyahu http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm/comment-page-1#comment-101103 Eliyahu Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:27:38 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm#comment-101103 "Without the secular majority in Israel the Meah Shaarim jews would starve and would have no water, electricity, security and they would be living at the mercy of some Arab ruler." That may be true, but without those Religious Israel would lose its Jewish Identity. The left is ready to sell our ancestry and would do so at every turn. That is why I feel safer as a Jew in America who vacations in Israel. Especially on a day like today when a murderer like Kuntar is released. “Without the secular majority in Israel the Meah Shaarim jews would starve and would have no water, electricity, security and they would be living at the mercy of some Arab ruler.”

That may be true, but without those Religious Israel would lose its Jewish Identity. The left is ready to sell our ancestry and would do so at every turn. That is why I feel safer as a Jew in America who vacations in Israel. Especially on a day like today when a murderer like Kuntar is released.

]]> By: Thomas Philip http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm/comment-page-1#comment-101020 Thomas Philip Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:34:43 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm#comment-101020 Hey Obadya! I am not a leftist jew nor a rightist one - somwhere in the middle. I am, how ever a Zionist one; I chose to live here and I don't need you to send me to Canada or someplace else so the Meah Shaarim rules can be applied in my neighbourhood. Without the secular majority in Israel the Meah Shaarim jews would starve and would have no water, electricity, security and they would be living at the mercy of some Arab ruler. This country may have not have the best political system and lots of things are inefficient and even unjust, but I would rather live under these conditions than in the "Utopia" of ultra religious system you advocate. Hey Obadya!

I am not a leftist jew nor a rightist one – somwhere in the middle.

I am, how ever a Zionist one; I chose to live here and I don’t need you to send me to Canada or someplace else so the Meah Shaarim rules can be applied in my neighbourhood.

Without the secular majority in Israel the Meah Shaarim jews would starve and would have no water, electricity, security and they would be living at the mercy of some Arab ruler.

This country may have not have the best political system and lots of things are inefficient and even unjust, but I would rather live under these conditions than in the “Utopia” of ultra religious system you advocate.

]]> By: Anonymous http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm/comment-page-1#comment-100987 Anonymous Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:31:07 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm#comment-100987 I don't like religions, to me all religious beliefs are stupid, still I would be totally OK with this: "businesses closed on Sabbath, no leaven sold on Pesach, no Jews taxed to subsidize Arabs, and no Arabs spitting on Jews from the Temple Mount" = That's fine symbolic gesture, I can honor my for-fathers. But I would for example not want to circumcise children. I don't think it is state's business what people do with their private parts. Also, it is not true that only religious Jews have any claim to Israel: Non-religious socialist were among the first pioneers in Palestine. Exclusion of the huge Arab population from Israel, is important for survival of Jews religious and atheists alike. So Obadiah, please get off this divisive discourse and work to unite us Jews, rather than divide. = You have brilliantly written about how Israel has restored dignity to all Jews, even those who live in the diaspora. I don’t like religions, to me all religious beliefs are stupid, still I would be totally OK with this:
“businesses closed on Sabbath, no leaven sold on Pesach, no Jews taxed to subsidize Arabs, and no Arabs spitting on Jews from the Temple Mount”
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That’s fine symbolic gesture, I can honor my for-fathers. But I would for example not want to circumcise children. I don’t think it is state’s business what people do with their private parts.
Also, it is not true that only religious Jews have any claim to Israel: Non-religious socialist were among the first pioneers in Palestine.
Exclusion of the huge Arab population from Israel, is important for survival of Jews religious and atheists alike.
So Obadiah, please get off this divisive discourse and work to unite us Jews, rather than divide.
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You have brilliantly written about how Israel has restored dignity to all Jews, even those who live in the diaspora.

]]> By: Paul Easton http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm/comment-page-1#comment-100967 Paul Easton Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:23:12 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm#comment-100967 Certainly it is reasonable for the people of Mea Shearim to decide what is proper in their own neighborhood. And I think it is the height of hypocracy to denounce the Haridim for living on the dole. How many of their critics would work if they did not have to? These ctitics should look to themselves and the secular politicians they elected, who set up this situation. Certainly it is reasonable for the people of Mea Shearim to decide what is proper in their own neighborhood. And I think it is the height of hypocracy to denounce the Haridim for living on the dole. How many of their critics would work if they did not have to? These ctitics should look to themselves and the secular politicians they elected, who set up this situation.

]]> By: Poor American http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm/comment-page-1#comment-100922 Poor American Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:02:57 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/trade-olmert-even-for-ovadia-yosef.htm#comment-100922 yes! i think i agree with you. "the United States is a republic not democracy: it has some basic values which the majority cannot alter.." thanks very much for shairng! yes! i think i agree with you. “the United States is a republic not democracy: it has some basic values which the majority cannot alter..” thanks very much for shairng!

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