Like I said, you are a goldmine! Did you happen to know that Daniel Pipes, “The expert of hate.” http://www.voltairenet.org/article136260.html is probably not the best guy to use make your points? Logically, you want someone who says Amen! to your precepts. But you and Mr. Pipes see life through different colored glasses. He could write many of Obadiah’s articles you have been complaining about. That website I posted for you paints him as an expert on terrorism (Moslem, today’s terrorism), AN ADVOCATE FOR THE ANNIHILATION OF THE PALESTINIANS (as I said, Obadiah and this “ally” of yours are very similar); he is a neo-con. That means he is so pro-Israel that he talked George Bush into invading Iraq so Israel wouldn’t have to. He is an Islamophobe, in fact, he invented the term and adamantly believes that your brand of Islam is bad. In fact, here is what that article says,

Daniel Pipes’ obsession is Islamphobia. In 1999 he published an article in The Forward where he stated: “Muslims who hate the United States and, especially, the Jewish people living there, are increasing and they are becoming more powerful thanks to the protection that the democracy and the indulgence of a pluralist and charitable society offer to them.”

STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES, DEARIE! Did you not think I could find out about your unassailable witnesses? Even the quote you took from his 1981 book (the year it was published) was written by him BEFORE the take-over of Iran by the Islamic Shi-ite fanatics in 1979. His entire worldview” sea changed” with that event. According to Pipes,” Muslim fundamentalists were Nazis, potential murderers, that represented a real threat for Jewish, Christians, women and homosexuals.”

Notice the connection there? Jews and Christians. Pipes not only recognizes the connection between the two groups but sees who the Nazis are: YOU!

Has it ever occurred to you that you are not exactly preaching to the choir on this forum with your assertion that AbuShy is their enemy and you are their good buddy and always have been? I have all ready been around the block several times with the notion that what happened in the name of Jesus Christ has my name all over it, personally, as if I was there doing it myself: (for example, see quote from “The real Hannukah”) Because I am not ashamed of Christ or the gospel, I have to take responsibility for distortions to the message. I have repented of the horrible, horrendous things that were done to the Jewish people up through the Holocaust and have been a champion of Israel all my life as if it was my fault and my personal salvation depended upon me personally rectifying the situation. Not so you. Like I said, I hope you never take up your toys and go home, but quite honestly, I couldn’t posture myself as you try to do and then make such a fool of yourself in so doing. “Willingly ignorant of the truth,” Peter predicted and spoke about folks just like you.

Even your example using the Cutlers undermines your comment that “how could Moslems have been anti-semitic when they weren’t even around?” This tag team of yours, the Cutlers, “believe that the tendency of medieval Christians to see the Jew as an ally of the Muslim was the decisive factor in the development of anti-Semitism. In making their case, the Cutlers challenge conventional wisdom, which holds that anti-Semitism originated in the charge of deicide (that Jews killed Jesus) and the Jews’ anomalous socio-economic status in Europe .”

“The authors strongly believe that medieval Christian perceptions remain a force today, that the notion of Jewish-Muslim alliance still fuels anti-Semitism.”

Here you have another great pair of witness. What a team you’re compiling! These two folks defy the other conventional wisdom folks that blame anti-semitism on the New Testament and Paul and so on. No, these two think it somehow is the threat of Jews and Moslems in alliance that is what caused anti-semitism. They make my point that from it’s inception, Islam played Jews and Christians, one against another, One ‘people of the book’ against the other. I could quote to you from your own Quran to that effect, but these two are saying the same thing thank you and at the same time undermining your other more “conventional wisdom” types like rabbi Singer. Like I said, you’re sharper than a rat terd!

By the way, I noticed you actually called me a rat terd. I never called you something as elevated as a rat terd, and hence, I thank you for the compliment! Remember, in east Texas oilfield culture, you have (in this example), the rat terd, then something “as sharp as” but not a rat terd, nevertheless; next you have “as smart as” a rat terd, which when not personified, as you did when you called me one, is in reality, not very smart. I mean, who wants to be only “as smart as” a rat terd sans personality imbued therein like me? Then of course ,we come to you, the last stage down on the rung: “dumber than a rat terd”. That is bad dumb!

Back to the reasons why. Take your anti-missionary rabbi Singer. I noticed he put up a straw-woman who had no clue that Luther was such an anti-semite. Hitler used Luther’s very words to justify and explain to his Lutheran, German audience his “Final Solution. You want to know another straw-man of History? The notion that your religious affiliation is determined by what you are not: “I ain’t Jewish and I sure as shootin’ ain’t no ‘moo-slum’, so I guess that means I’m a Christian.”

That is getting down in the mud with the” dumber than”comparisons, so we won’t go there, although everyone thinks that is a fair judgment and determining factor in life and world view outlooks. One more time with rabbi Singer: he puts up another straw-man argument and then beats it to death. Trouble is, who couldn’t?

But the problem with this rabbi is that he is not here to talk to. You say he talks for you or you wouldn’t put him up as proof for your laughable premise. Like Daniel Pipes though, he is definitely not in a mode of defending Islam…

Like I said, you are a goldmine! Did you happen to know that Daniel Pipes, “The expert of hate.” http://www.voltairenet.org/article136260.html is probably not the best guy to use make your points? Logically, you want someone who says Amen! to your precepts. But you and Mr. Pipes see life through different colored glasses. He could write many of Obadiah’s articles you have been complaining about. That website I posted for you paints him as an expert on terrorism (Moslem, today’s terrorism), AN ADVOCATE FOR THE ANNIHILATION OF THE PALESTINIANS (as I said, Obadiah and this “ally” of yours are very similar); he is a neo-con. That means he is so pro-Israel that he talked George Bush into invading Iraq so Israel wouldn’t have to. He is an Islamophobe, in fact, he invented the term and adamantly believes that your brand of Islam is bad. In fact, here is what that article says,
Daniel Pipes’ obsession is Islamphobia. In 1999 he published an article in The Forward where he stated: “Muslims who hate the United States and, especially, the Jewish people living there, are increasing and they are becoming more powerful thanks to the protection that the democracy and the indulgence of a pluralist and charitable society offer to them.”
STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES, DEARIE! Did you not think I could find out about your unassailable witnesses? Even the quote you took from his 1981 book (the year it was published) was written by him BEFORE the take-over of Iran by the Islamic Shi-ite fanatics in 1979. His entire worldview” sea changed” with that event. According to Pipes,” Muslim fundamentalists were Nazis, potential murderers, that represented a real threat for Jewish, Christians, women and homosexuals.”

Notice the connection there? Jews and Christians. Pipes not only recognizes the connection between the two groups but sees who the Nazis are: YOU!

Has it ever occurred to you that you are not exactly preaching to the choir on this forum with your assertion that AbuShy is their enemy and you are their good buddy and always have been? I have all ready been around the block several times with the notion that what happened in the name of Jesus Christ has my name all over it, personally, as if I was there doing it myself: (for example, see quote from “The real Hannukah”) Because I am not ashamed of Christ or the gospel, I have to take responsibility for distortions to the message. I have repented of the horrible, horrendous things that were done to the Jewish people up through the Holocaust and have been a champion of Israel all my life as if it was my fault and my personal salvation depended upon me personally rectifying the situation. Not so you. Like I said, I hope you never take up your toys and go home, but quite honestly, I couldn’t posture myself as you try to do and then make such a fool of yourself in so doing. “Willingly ignorant of the truth,” Peter predicted and spoke about folks just like you.

Even your example using the Cutlers undermines your comment that “how could Moslems have been anti-semitic when they weren’t even around?” This tag team of yours, the Cutlers, “believe that the tendency of medieval Christians to see the Jew as an ally of the Muslim was the decisive factor in the development of anti-Semitism. In making their case, the Cutlers challenge conventional wisdom, which holds that anti-Semitism originated in the charge of deicide (that Jews killed Jesus) and the Jews’ anomalous socio-economic status in Europe.”
“The authors strongly believe that medieval Christian perceptions remain a force today, that the notion of Jewish-Muslim alliance still fuels anti-Semitism.”
Here you have another great pair of witness. What a team you’re compiling! These two folks defy the other conventional wisdom folks that blame anti-semitism on the New Testament and Paul and so on. No, these two think it somehow is the threat of Jews and Moslems in alliance that is what caused anti-semitism. They make my point that from it’s inception, Islam played Jews and Christians, one against another, One ‘people of the book’ against the other. I could quote to you from your own Quran to that effect, but these two are saying the same thing thank you and at the same time undermining your other more “conventional wisdom” types like rabbi Singer. Like I said, you’re sharper than a rat terd!
By the way, I noticed you actually called me a rat terd. I never called you something as elevated as a rat terd, and hence, I thank you for the compliment! Remember, in east Texas oilfield culture, you have (in this example), the rat terd, then something “as sharp as” but not a rat terd, nevertheless; next you have “as smart as” a rat terd, which when not personified, as you did when you called me one, is in reality, not very smart. I mean, who wants to be only “as smart as” a rat terd sans personality imbued therein like me? Then of course ,we come to you, the last stage down on the rung: “dumber than a rat terd”. That is bad dumb!

Back to the reasons why. Take your anti-missionary rabbi Singer. I noticed he put up a straw-woman who had no clue that Luther was such an anti-semite. Hitler used Luther’s very words to justify and explain to his Lutheran, German audience his “Final Solution. You want to know another straw-man of History? The notion that your religious affiliation is determined by what you are not: “I ain’t Jewish and I sure as shootin’ ain’t no ‘moo-slum’, so I guess that means I’m a Christian.”

That is getting down in the mud with the” dumber than”comparisons, so we won’t go there, although everyone thinks that is a fair judgment and determining factor in life and world view outlooks. One more time with rabbi Singer: he puts up another straw-man argument and then beats it to death. Trouble is, who couldn’t?

Trouble with Singer is that he is not here to defend himself, so I will defer until the next post or so…that other one too. BTW they make great, obviously true statements. But like brother Daniel, they would laugh you in your face!

sweet dreams, aye?

earth to Houri, earth to Houri…

I have a day job at the house, building a barn and expanding my bio-diesel biz, so I can’t go 24/7 with you to retro-spect you back out of this horrible psychotic maze you’ve jambed yourself into like a double-parked hazmat 18 wheeler tank truck full of human waste parked on the wrong side of the street on a one way going the wrong way, 5th avenue, New York City, NY.

I’ll get back with you when I can. In the meantime, why don’t you share your personal testimony of leaving Judiasm and joey cohen behind to become a whore for Allah. It would make good copy!

For my part, I will be more than glad to share how I got stuck, exiled in heaven on earth, leaving Denver, Colorado, and skiing in shorts with the rest of insanityland where I was born. Yo! How high is the powder, yall, up there on the back bowls??~))

Gottah go,

ya know, ya no, ya ghno?

let me tell you a little about myself that will help here as we start this little discertation/disputation.
[Oh, by the way, I couldn’t help but notice that this is definitely not the Houri I know (and believe me, LeRoy, I know Houri and you ain’t no Houri, son!] But I digress…~))
OK, Houri ole buddy ole pal ole Houri ole buddy ole pal…#9,#9,#9…
On one of my other e-mail addresses, I spell my name the following way: ah-boo-shy. Why? To illustrate just what kind of bag of chips you get por moi (which I believe doesn’t mean “with me”, which is the context of that sentence, but since my actual French of 1 year was rather, well, I failed miserably …)

Anyway, you tell me, Houri babe! Just who is AbuShy/ah-boo-shy?
1) “ah”—it means I’m actually dumber than the stump or rat terd I attributed to your account.
2) “boo”—black cat walking by, Halloween, later on tonight please explain the nightmare I “gay-run-tee” starring me you will see, babe!~()
3) “shy”— man, sit down, you ain’t gonnah believe how hard it is for me just to get out of bed each day, much more to manage and even find this here forum and try to talk to folks about much of anything, much less Houri!
4) All of the above
5) None of the above
6) NOW, all of the above
7) Waaaaah, I want a re-count, ‘cuz I can’t understand what’s going on here and
He says mean things about Islam!

OK, please pass me the envelope! (crinkling noises as he gets the paper with the right answer out). And the answer is: #9,#9,#9,#9,#9…

http://beatlesnumber9.com/number9mp3.mp3

9) Chill out, get a bag of chips, sit back and enjoy yourself (it,she, he- which one are you today? And don’t give me that ‘Houri’ bullqorn!:~))

http://www.breitbart.tv/brit-hume-reflects-on-reaction-to-his-religious-advice-for-tiger-woods/

http://www.breitbart.tv/fox-comedy-show-depicts-jesus-threatening-to-give-tiger-woods-crabs/

You would not believe the mean things they say about Jesus every time someone hits his thumb with a hammer.

And it sure as shooting ain’t no “mohammed or buddah” that expectorates outtah dair mouth…

This Jesus giving crabs to Tiger Woods is just a good ole Jewish goy.

Look, when you get up in the morning, the sun is shining, but you’re frightened of the dark, hey bulldog, you can always come talk to me. I’ve got the couch right over there in the corner and you can tell me all about, bulldog!

http://beatlesnumber9.com/bulldog9.mpeg

Maybe AbuShy can tell us, why Christians were killing Jews long before Islam came on the scene, if it was Islam causing the divide. and why all Jewish historians say, Christians brought anti-semitism to the Mid East during colonial times and Arab Christinas were the first to embrace it, it didn’t exist before then.

CHRISTIAN TOTALITARIANISM AND ANTI-SEMITISM:
MEDIEVAL TO RENAISSANCE EUROPE
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Religion/Antisemitism%20Medieval.htm#CRIMES%20OF%20THE%20CRUSADERS

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The Politics of Muslim Anti-Semitism
by Daniel Pipes
Commentary
August 1981
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/161
On the whole, Jewish life flourished under Muslim rule when times were good for Muslims and declined when times were bad. While the dhimmi status
implied institutionalized discrimination, it also meant that Jews rarely encountered systematic persecution. In pre-modern times, they lived markedly better under Islam than under Christianity.
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Rabbi T Singer
http://www.outreachjudaism.org/like-a-lion.html
Although evangelicals repeatedly declare that true believing Christians love the Jewish people, the annals of history clearly do not support this slogan.
With few exceptions, the tormentors of the Jewish people emerged out of the fundamentalist genre of Christianity.
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THE PSYCHOLOGICAL OBSESSION http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/pdf/EnglishHandbook.pdf
Since the concept of a Messiah was originally and exclusivelya Jewish concept, the rejection of Jesus as the Messiah by the Jewshas always posed a
serious paradox and dilemma for the Christian Church. Therefore, in the eyes
of many evangelical fundamentalists,each conversion of a Jew to Christianity becomes a corroborationof their faith.For centuries, the response to the Jewish rejection of Jesus hasbeen persecution of Jews rationalized as G-d’s
divine punishmentfor having rejected Jesus. The fire of prejudice was fueled by NewTestament.

Most fundamentalists will argue that the
perpetrators of the historyof atrocities against the Jews were not “true” Christians.

However,according to many historians, it is precisely such New Testamentrhetoric that is responsible for creating the atmosphere in
whichsuch events could transpire.*Today, after almost 2,000 years of Jewish rejection of Jesus,the dilemma still exists. It is out of this tremendous theological andpsychological need that the fundamentalist Christians have com-mitted millions of dollars to develop new, sophisticated and oftendeceptive techniques to convert Jews.* For an in-depth analysis of this idea, please see the book The Roots of Christian Anti-Semitism recommended in the Suggested Reading list.15

“common feature of Islamic history, to divide and destroy Christianity and Judaism and deny the obvious:”

What a mindboggling lie, that Christian Ziomists peretrate, in a desperate attempt to appear as friends. AbuShy you stupid terd, it was Christiantiy that tried to obliterate Judaism, then Islam, and failed. Prominent rabbi’s have called Islam a mercy, and does this silly ignorant man know, that until the late 1800’s Jews preferred to live in Muslim lands, and that for much of Islmaic history Jews and Muslims were allies.
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Antisemitism Today
by Rachael Kohn
ABC (Australia): The Spirit of Things
February 13, 2005
http://www.danielpipes.org/4114/antisemitism-today

Rachael Kohn: “As an historian, you would know that Jews had comparatively better time under Muslim rule than they did under Christian rule. When did it change so radically?”

Daniel Pipes: “It was very radical and quick. The Jewish experience from the origins of Islam in the 7th century, until rather specifically in 1945, was better under Muslim rule than under Christian rule. And since 1945, it’s been better under Christian rule than Muslim rule. One can see it for example by exchange of populations. Jews fled the Christian countries for the Muslim countries, until 1945.

As late as the 1930s, when Jews fled Germany to go to Turkey. Since then, it’s been the reverse. I think this points to the fact that things change. You know, what looked like it was a permanent thing, the fact that Jews were better off in Muslim countries, just changed on a dime, in a moment, just changed. It also points to the fact that the Muslim world is going through a very difficult stage now, and it’s presumably a temporary one.”

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The New Anti-Semitism
by Daniel Pipes
http://www.danielpipes.org/226/the-new-anti-semitism

“The second view, which I associate with Bernard Lewis, holds that anti-Semitism is essentially an import from Europe; that Islam lacks the Christian tradition of exaggerating Jewish power, and that just because it results from disdain rather than fear, Jews have had no particular importance in Islam The modern obsession with Jews in the Muslim world is a recent phenomenon that derives from Europe. Just as the Muslims learned about forks and knives and airplanes and modern medicine from Europe, so they received their notions of the Jew from Europe.”

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The Jews of Arab Lands
A History and Sourcebook by Norman A. Stillman
Reviewed by Daniel Pipes

“Islam is the only monotheistic religion that has allowed to participate so fully in its culture. By contrast, in the European Enlightenment many centuries later, Christianity had to be removed as a central element of culture before Jews could join in a common space discourse.”

“Protected to some degree by religious precepts, Jews had fared better under Islamic law than they did in the newly independent states of the 20th century. The side effects of European power — including such disparate and mutually contradictory phenomena as new legal systems, political anti-Semitism, the Alliance Israelite Universelle, and Zionism — worked to create less bearable circumstances, forcing the Jews to leave.”

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The Jew As Ally of the Muslim: Medieval Roots of Anti-Semitism
by Allan Harris Cutler and Helen Elmquist Cutler. Reviewed by Daniel Pipes
http://www.danielpipes.org/33/the-jew-as-ally-of-the-muslim-medieval-roots-of-anti
“As the title of this study suggests, Allan and Helen Cutler believe that the tendency of medieval Christians to see the Jew as an ally of the Muslim was the decisive factor in the development of anti-Semitism. In making their case, the Cutlers challenge conventional wisdom, which holds that anti-Semitism originated in the charge of deicide (that Jews killed Jesus) and the Jews’ anomalous socio-economic status in Europe.”

“The authors strongly believe that medieval Christian perceptions remain a force today, that the notion of Jewish-Muslim alliance still fuels anti-Semitism.”

I didn’t read the beyond the first line of your drivel, but a quick skim shows the same old garbage.

As i said to NoName, (read it) i’m not here to talk to you, and your opinion on the Prophet or Islam isn’t worth two hoots. asYou divert the subject, and you Messianics and Christians pretend to support Israel when you consider Jews to be blind, your feelings on Judaism are same as on Islam,

You see Jews as condemened to hell unless they convert to your man/god. THAT was the point i was making. The rest is just your cover to pretend that Islam is “worse” in your eyes, the truth is to you, they’re both the same,
http://www.jewishisrael.com is the site for you.

Don’t respond to my posts, i’m not interested in what you have to say.

I came here to talk to Shoher or his rep/secretary, not anyone else, since he writes the musings here. I don’t care to debate with the commentators here, most of whom (abushy, raybright) would be a laughing stock in real life,

as for you, why are you writing to me? I have zero respect for a person who didn’t get a name at birth,d oesn’t know where he/she/it lives. I don’t know enough about you to respond, so don’t bother responding to this. I was referring ~Specifically to #shoher’s points not yours, which may be different to what he says in his musings.

“Population exchange is NOT about “racial purity” from our point of view. That is your own bias speaking.#”

This is what YOU say, but Shoher won’t agree with you. I WAS ADDRESSING SHOHER. as i said, that is why i was clear i only wanted a reply from Shoher, as anyone else here may or may not agree, in any case Shoher has differentiated between race, an article that was here “babylon 24″ has been taken offline. It was about black jews not being eligible for being Jews. this is something riduculous i’ve never heard before, none of your Rabbi’s will agree with that, which made me think Shoher is a Russian KKK pretending to be a Jew in Israel whilst living in the Pale of Settlement.

“Your comparisons are worthless drivel. Look at the PLO charter and the aspirations of Arabs to destroy/take over Israel, ”

No Your comparisons are worthless drivel. The PLO charter is not written in blood, you know that very well, it can be amended when a peace plan is in place and Palestine comes into being. That was not what i raised with Shoher, i addressed specific points he made, that even Israelis and Jews don’t agree with. Most of the neighboring countries and the Muslim world at large support the two state solution and have said they will normalise relations with Israel after Palestine comes into being. I’m aware there are some who oppose that, but so there are on your side, that is why the world works towards a peace plan, suitable to all.

Now do me a favour and ignore my posts since they’re not addressed to you.