Comments on: Temporary moderate http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:09:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: alex sarkis http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm/comment-page-1#comment-88959 alex sarkis Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:15:59 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm#comment-88959 hello. i have been reading your website. i think youare right should not have nuclear weapons. but if they should not have them. then the united states, israel, north korea should not have them either. and your comments about egypt. im a Christian egyptian who does not believe in an Islamic country but rather an egyptian country. but your comments about sinai. sinai is still a part of egypt. moses did not reach the promised land neither did the older generation of the jews. so sinai is not the promised land according to the torah. since moses did not reach the promised land but stayed in sinai for 40 years and egyptian land. you need to get your facts straight and stop hating everyone who is not jewish. hello. i have been reading your website. i think youare right should not have nuclear weapons. but if they should not have them. then the united states, israel, north korea should not have them either. and your comments about egypt. im a Christian egyptian who does not believe in an Islamic country but rather an egyptian country. but your comments about sinai. sinai is still a part of egypt. moses did not reach the promised land neither did the older generation of the jews. so sinai is not the promised land according to the torah. since moses did not reach the promised land but stayed in sinai for 40 years and egyptian land. you need to get your facts straight and stop hating everyone who is not jewish.

]]> By: nazir Ahmad Bhat http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm/comment-page-1#comment-59014 nazir Ahmad Bhat Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:38:11 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm#comment-59014 My brother you are mistaken in belief and conception.i can infer that you in totallity do not represent entire jews opinion. probanly beibg rightist you have your own ideas to express.similarily i do not have any muslim representation place their composite view points.in between what has been expressed is the general feeling among two communities.please you may kindly correct yourself that i never quoted you the HITLER.your expression that you never require arab firendship being race inferior in economy and technology and as such is none of your requirements perpetuates the idea of unilatralisim as was otherwise; propogated by germany. but history testifies that they failed. shakespare was disturbed by the obstinate charactter in his drama for being not either relaxable or negotiable. My brother you are mistaken in belief and conception.i can infer that you in totallity do not represent entire jews opinion. probanly beibg rightist you have your own ideas to express.similarily i do not have any muslim representation place their composite view points.in between what has been expressed is the general feeling among two communities.please you may kindly correct yourself that i never quoted you the HITLER.your expression that you never require arab firendship being race inferior in economy and technology and as such is none of your requirements perpetuates the idea of unilatralisim as was otherwise; propogated by germany. but history testifies that they failed. shakespare was disturbed by the obstinate charactter in his drama for being not either relaxable or negotiable.

]]> By: Erick S http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm/comment-page-1#comment-58982 Erick S Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:26:44 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm#comment-58982 There's a big mistake here. Isolation is not the same doctrine as racial superiority. The Nazis, the Soviets, the Japanese, the Mongols, the Muslims and the Romans all wanted to conquer other people and rule over them. Jews don't want to rule over anyone - They want to live among other Jews and preserve their own lifestyle. When threatened, though, nothing matters but the safety of your own people. You can call me Hitler any day of the week - being called names is somewhat less of a threat than total annihilation by Syrian/Iranian nuclear weapons. There’s a big mistake here. Isolation is not the same doctrine as racial superiority.
The Nazis, the Soviets, the Japanese, the Mongols, the Muslims and the Romans all wanted to conquer other people and rule over them.
Jews don’t want to rule over anyone – They want to live among other Jews and preserve their own lifestyle.

When threatened, though, nothing matters but the safety of your own people.
You can call me Hitler any day of the week – being called names is somewhat less of a threat than total annihilation by Syrian/Iranian nuclear weapons.

]]> By: nazir Ahmad Bhat http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm/comment-page-1#comment-58890 nazir Ahmad Bhat Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:29:35 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm#comment-58890 this reply concludes this discussion.let me humbly remind you that Hitler also thought in terms of supriority of his race, nation and nationhood but due to his exremisim failed.william shespare has portrayed in his drama "MERCHANT OF VENICE" A JEW charactter who was very hard.i still am in doubt whether that is fiction in reality or reality concealed in fiction,the website 'pro con' IS NOTHING BUT media drama .Nevertheless, your hard attitude attributable to your national feeling/religion can hardly affect my basic nature.i still wish happy life and peace in isreal.let us wait for the decision of history that how supperior nation/race continues to be choicable in this world. thanks to you and all levels of your staff. this reply concludes this discussion.let me humbly remind you that Hitler also thought in terms of supriority of his race, nation and nationhood but due to his exremisim failed.william shespare has portrayed in his drama “MERCHANT OF VENICE” A JEW charactter who was very hard.i still am in doubt whether that is fiction in reality or reality concealed in fiction,the website ‘pro con’ IS NOTHING BUT media drama .Nevertheless, your hard attitude attributable to your national feeling/religion can hardly affect my basic nature.i still wish happy life and peace in isreal.let us wait for the decision of history that how supperior nation/race continues to be choicable in this world. thanks to you and all levels of your staff.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm/comment-page-1#comment-58780 Danny the Admin Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:41:23 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm#comment-58780 Jews don't have a uniform position on such contacts. Religiously, Jews maintain a degree on isolation. We don't bug the whatever nation happens to live nearby, and expect reciprocity. There is little reason for Jews to engage Muslim states in the Middle East: they are technologically and economically negligible. Jews don't want Saudis to invest in politically sensitive land here. So, basically, we don't need Arabs. Now, many leftist Jews want stronger interconnection with Arabs, but failed to achieve it due to the Arab hostility. The two Arab countries at peace with Israel, Egypt and Jordan, remain deeply hostile on popular level. Arab League boycotts Israel. Jews don’t have a uniform position on such contacts. Religiously, Jews maintain a degree on isolation. We don’t bug the whatever nation happens to live nearby, and expect reciprocity. There is little reason for Jews to engage Muslim states in the Middle East: they are technologically and economically negligible. Jews don’t want Saudis to invest in politically sensitive land here. So, basically, we don’t need Arabs.
Now, many leftist Jews want stronger interconnection with Arabs, but failed to achieve it due to the Arab hostility. The two Arab countries at peace with Israel, Egypt and Jordan, remain deeply hostile on popular level. Arab League boycotts Israel.

]]> By: nazir Ahmad Bhat http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm/comment-page-1#comment-58350 nazir Ahmad Bhat Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:50:14 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm#comment-58350 i personelly thank MR,Erick S and Mr.Danny the admin; for tolerating me on the web for some of my comments otherwise; and usually invited in the said web.I would have replied both the responses but was cautioned by your web to go slow.since; iam not aware of your internet rules and regulations; therefore; i followed the web direction and choose to reply a bit later. i am sorry to find if iam lacking any protocol or required courtsey to address my jews brothern in an open media.notwithstanding the fact that my intentions are quite clear and based on scio-historical concept, i would like to repaet my question to jews civil society that how far they are open to the muslim world with, without and inspite of plestainin dispute?i have reminder to support my question. i would like to reffer the welcome meeting arranged by jews intelectualls at united states in the honour of president Musharaf some years ago.if i remember correctly a jew intellectuall during question answer session asked president Musharaf "is he welcome in pakistan as jew "? what president of pakistan answered is not my concern.but, in spirit its the pertinent question in relvance to socio-political history of isreal.Matching such contrast with india, situation is altogether different; india having some political dispute with pakistan is more wellcome in muslim countries than pakistan itself.assuming; isreal having one terrotorial/political dispute with one muslim country how for she had been successful in establishing such relationship with muslim world;notwithstanding, the fact that there had been a political dispute with one muslim country.only isreali civil society can answer such question.regarding the question that some of your citizens of arab origin did wellcome the rockets of your war opponet is your internal question being your citizens,only isreali law could answer such devaition,i can better say that rocket or any weapon is quite secular in nature does target any one irrespective of caste creed or faith,those welcoming such rockets could have even been destroyed by such rockets, on plain truth i further add that a citizen must be loyal to his country in whatever circumstances. thanks. i personelly thank MR,Erick S and Mr.Danny the admin; for tolerating me on the web for some of my comments otherwise; and usually invited in the said web.I would have replied both the responses but was cautioned by your web to go slow.since; iam not aware of your internet rules and regulations; therefore; i followed the web direction and choose to reply a bit later. i am sorry to find if iam lacking any protocol or required courtsey to address my jews brothern in an open media.notwithstanding the fact that my intentions are quite clear and based on scio-historical concept, i would like to repaet my question to jews civil society that how far they are open to the muslim world with, without and inspite of plestainin dispute?i have reminder to support my question. i would like to reffer the welcome meeting arranged by jews intelectualls at united states in the honour of president Musharaf some years ago.if i remember correctly a jew intellectuall during question answer session asked president Musharaf “is he welcome in pakistan as jew “? what president of pakistan answered is not my concern.but, in spirit its the pertinent question in relvance to socio-political history of isreal.Matching such contrast with india, situation is altogether different; india having some political dispute with pakistan is more wellcome in muslim countries than pakistan itself.assuming; isreal having one terrotorial/political dispute with one muslim country how for she had been successful in establishing such relationship with muslim world;notwithstanding, the fact that there had been a political dispute with one muslim country.only isreali civil society can answer such question.regarding the question that some of your citizens of arab origin did wellcome the rockets of your war opponet is your internal question being your citizens,only isreali law could answer such devaition,i can better say that rocket or any weapon is quite secular in nature does target any one irrespective of caste creed or faith,those welcoming such rockets could have even been destroyed by such rockets, on plain truth i further add that a citizen must be loyal to his country in whatever circumstances. thanks.

]]> By: Erick S http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm/comment-page-1#comment-58057 Erick S Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:19:42 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm#comment-58057 Ah, Danny, I don't envy you for having to manage this discussion. Rest assured, your steadfast explanation of your beliefs does more justice to Israel than those countless incompetents who fail to properly address foreign media, and foreigners, when confronted with similar questions. Nazir, you have a lot of misconceptions about the Arab-Israeli conflict in the last one and a half century. It is not your fault in any way, but I do believe you have encountered a lot of Anti-Israel propaganda, which is hard not to, because it is so widely popular. Arab nations had standing armies in 1948, not sticks and stones. They were not 'awakened' in any way - They actively harrased Jewish settlements whenever they could - stealing from, and murdering Jewish settlers. It is a perfectly reasonable course of action for them - They did not want any significant number of Jews in their (Ambiguous) land. Since this piece of land is contested by both sides, it is but a matter of 'may the best man win', not a philosophical debate of love Vs. hate. Jews did not come to Israel to hate Arabs, but because they loved Israel. Ah, Danny, I don’t envy you for having to manage this discussion.
Rest assured, your steadfast explanation of your beliefs does more justice to Israel than those countless incompetents who fail to properly address foreign media, and foreigners, when confronted with similar questions.

Nazir, you have a lot of misconceptions about the Arab-Israeli conflict in the last one and a half century. It is not your fault in any way, but I do believe you have encountered a lot of Anti-Israel propaganda, which is hard not to, because it is so widely popular.
Arab nations had standing armies in 1948, not sticks and stones.
They were not ‘awakened’ in any way – They actively harrased Jewish settlements whenever they could – stealing from, and murdering Jewish settlers. It is a perfectly reasonable course of action for them – They did not want any significant number of Jews in their (Ambiguous) land.
Since this piece of land is contested by both sides, it is but a matter of ‘may the best man win’, not a philosophical debate of love Vs. hate.

Jews did not come to Israel to hate Arabs, but because they loved Israel.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm/comment-page-1#comment-57977 Danny the Admin Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:58:02 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm#comment-57977 Muslims tolerate Jews, you know, as dhimmis. Jews receive administrative autonomy but cannot vote on political matters. Israel offers her Muslims a s similar concept of ger toshav - resident alien endowed with all rights except political. But we expect certain loyalty from ger toshav, while Israeli Arabs actively support Israeli enemies. There were many pictures of Israeli Arabs sitting on their rooftops in 2006 and cheering Hezbollah's rockets flying to Haifa. Would you accept such disloyal subjects as proper citizens? Muslims tolerate Jews, you know, as dhimmis. Jews receive administrative autonomy but cannot vote on political matters. Israel offers her Muslims a s similar concept of ger toshav – resident alien endowed with all rights except political. But we expect certain loyalty from ger toshav, while Israeli Arabs actively support Israeli enemies. There were many pictures of Israeli Arabs sitting on their rooftops in 2006 and cheering Hezbollah’s rockets flying to Haifa. Would you accept such disloyal subjects as proper citizens?

]]> By: nazir Ahmad Bhat http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm/comment-page-1#comment-57967 nazir Ahmad Bhat Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:18:32 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm#comment-57967 iam pleased to continue to join this discourse sharing each others views without any pungent.since, your goodperson belongs to the land of prophets i may reffer the example of prohet muhammad{pbuh} that in the event holy kaba was recaptured by muslims, the otherside was quite apprehensive that their avenging could start. but its not there , the capture of holy kaba was peacrful and the oppontets were left free,the religious preaching concerning the origin of ABRAHIMS is the motivation towards that religion with peace and love, if its the adernt objective of juduiasim to make conversion of other communities into it then necessarily, it means that other communities must exist to learn such message.similar is the case of islam.the DAWA mission can,t be made unless opponet is alive.this is the big principle that not hate but love prevails.i may reffer the book FOR THOSE I LOVED written by MARTIN GRAY WHO WAS ONLY IN HIS TEEN AGE WHEN HOLLUCUST began .the autobiographical book is so startling that for last twenty years i have not changed it from my personel liberary. after going through the hardest creulty of hollocust how the author survived and thereafter; instead of avenging started philnthropic work is worth memory.love orverding the hate is also in your country when some of isreali solidiers did not open bullets to opposite side purely on their personel conviction on humanity; although, they were tried for treason.contradicting chomosky or said is but natural, as in controversial matters disagreements are basis of argument. i thank you for inviting me to your country for which i have otherwise curiosty to visit. thanks iam pleased to continue to join this discourse sharing each others views without any pungent.since, your goodperson belongs to the land of prophets i may reffer the example of prohet muhammad{pbuh} that in the event holy kaba was recaptured by muslims, the otherside was quite apprehensive that their avenging could start. but its not there , the capture of holy kaba was peacrful and the oppontets were left free,the religious preaching concerning the origin of ABRAHIMS is the motivation towards that religion with peace and love, if its the adernt objective of juduiasim to make conversion of other communities into it then necessarily, it means that other communities must exist to learn such message.similar is the case of islam.the DAWA mission can,t be made unless opponet is alive.this is the big principle that not hate but love prevails.i may reffer the book FOR THOSE I LOVED written by MARTIN GRAY WHO WAS ONLY IN HIS TEEN AGE WHEN HOLLUCUST began .the autobiographical book is so startling that for last twenty years i have not changed it from my personel liberary. after going through the hardest creulty of hollocust how the author survived and thereafter; instead of avenging started philnthropic work is worth memory.love orverding the hate is also in your country when some of isreali solidiers did not open bullets to opposite side purely on their personel conviction on humanity; although, they were tried for treason.contradicting chomosky or said is but natural, as in controversial matters disagreements are basis of argument. i thank you for inviting me to your country for which i have otherwise curiosty to visit. thanks

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm/comment-page-1#comment-57943 Danny the Admin Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:25:05 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/temporary-moderate.htm#comment-57943 I won't call Chomsky and especially Said professionals. They are anti-Semites with strong agenda. You may want to read Obadiah's rebuttal of Said, a last chapter in Obadiah's book, Samson Blinded, available here: http://samsonblinded.org/files/SamsonBlinded.pdf I don't think that Hezbollah matched the Israeli army. The IDF purposely diminished its capabilities under the pressure of political correctness. Would you suggest a historical example when hate (or, rather, violence) was crushed with love? Again, I'd love to see Israel at peace with Muslims, but would you agree that it was Muslims who repeatedly attacked my country? Even in 2006, Israel invaded Lebanon only after the aggression by Hezbollah. And consider that Hezbollah had no reason to kidnap Israeli soldiers after Israel withdrew from Lebanon in the year 2000. Or please consider the hatred which Egyptian media consistently express toward Israel even though Egypt and Israel are at peace for thirty years. Israeli media are reasonably nice toward Egypt. I would like to welcome you to Israel to see for yourself. I won’t call Chomsky and especially Said professionals. They are anti-Semites with strong agenda. You may want to read Obadiah’s rebuttal of Said, a last chapter in Obadiah’s book, Samson Blinded, available here: http://samsonblinded.org/files/SamsonBlinded.pdf

I don’t think that Hezbollah matched the Israeli army. The IDF purposely diminished its capabilities under the pressure of political correctness.

Would you suggest a historical example when hate (or, rather, violence) was crushed with love?

Again, I’d love to see Israel at peace with Muslims, but would you agree that it was Muslims who repeatedly attacked my country? Even in 2006, Israel invaded Lebanon only after the aggression by Hezbollah. And consider that Hezbollah had no reason to kidnap Israeli soldiers after Israel withdrew from Lebanon in the year 2000. Or please consider the hatred which Egyptian media consistently express toward Israel even though Egypt and Israel are at peace for thirty years. Israeli media are reasonably nice toward Egypt.

I would like to welcome you to Israel to see for yourself.

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