Comments on: Subversive lifestyles http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Sat, 19 May 2012 18:30:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm/comment-page-1#comment-91643 Danny the Admin Wed, 14 May 2008 17:31:14 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm#comment-91643 Well, so you have wrong opinion about Jews. Jews are not nice. Indeed, Christianity also forbids homosexuality on the pain of eternal damnation. Well, so you have wrong opinion about Jews. Jews are not nice. Indeed, Christianity also forbids homosexuality on the pain of eternal damnation.

]]> By: Will http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm/comment-page-1#comment-91523 Will Tue, 13 May 2008 08:28:34 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm#comment-91523 "Homosexuality as a persistent lifestyle was never common. In the touted Dutch persecution of homosexuals of the 1730s, only about a hundred people were executed" ONLY a hundred? "Bill — If I had a homosexual male child, I would want him to keep it to himself. If he couldn't, I would want him executed." Doesn't it seem somewhat hypocritical of a Jewish blog posting comments like this? How dare you? These comments only reduce a human being, regardless of how evil you view them, down to an object. It's by turning people into objects that they are able to be killed indescriminately. Words kill, of all the people in the world we should know this best!! “Homosexuality as a persistent lifestyle was never common. In the touted Dutch persecution of homosexuals of the 1730s, only about a hundred people were executed”

ONLY a hundred?

“Bill — If I had a homosexual male child, I would want him to keep it to himself. If he couldn’t, I would want him executed.”

Doesn’t it seem somewhat hypocritical of a Jewish blog posting comments like this? How dare you? These comments only reduce a human being, regardless of how evil you view them, down to an object. It’s by turning people into objects that they are able to be killed indescriminately. Words kill, of all the people in the world we should know this best!!

]]> By: raffaele http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm/comment-page-1#comment-71738 raffaele Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:33:46 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm#comment-71738 it is the use of scientific knowledges not scientific knowledges that is bad the use of scientific knoledges (applications) is made by humans, and there are good humans and bad humans........ the egyphtians were far from scientific methods, they used a lot of superstitions in their researches you are right, science method is not the only truth or the truth, it is a way to describe the world around us and give more light to our ignorance what I am saying is that the light over the shadow of our ignorance may change our beliefs the applications of scientific discoveries ghange our way of leaving; for example : what about the eternity pills or manipulations of genome? I would be very happy to prolong my life with special drugs or some genome manipulations, why not? If we can defeat death, why not? Now, defeating death will also change our view of the world. Don't you think a steel knife changes the life of a stone age people? Their beliefs, their interpretation of the world? it is the use of scientific knowledges not scientific knowledges that is bad
the use of scientific knoledges (applications) is made by humans, and there are good humans and bad humans……..
the egyphtians were far from scientific methods, they used a lot of superstitions in their researches
you are right, science method is not the only truth or the truth, it is a way to describe the world around us and give more light to our ignorance
what I am saying is that the light over the shadow of our ignorance may change our beliefs
the applications of scientific discoveries ghange our way of leaving; for example :
what about the eternity pills or manipulations of genome? I would be very happy to prolong my life with special drugs or some genome manipulations, why not?
If we can defeat death, why not?
Now, defeating death will also change our view of the world.
Don’t you think a steel knife changes the life of a stone age people? Their beliefs, their interpretation of the world?

]]> By: Joseph http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm/comment-page-1#comment-71649 Joseph Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:32:51 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm#comment-71649 Because we have contact lenses and electric guitars does not mean that sodomy is acceptable. If I want your electric guitar, it is not alright for me to murder you and steal it. If I want to bugger your son, it is not OK for me to rape him. These things have not changed. In fact, modern science has brought us to the state of ancient Egypt and "mythical" Atlantis, where the scientists are "gods" restrained by no ethics or morality. Moses was raised as a prince in Egypt. He knew science beyond your conception. You make a very common mistake in believing that modern, Western civilization is the highest technological society humans have ever achieved. Even if this were true, good and evil have not changed. Because we have contact lenses and electric guitars does not mean that sodomy is acceptable. If I want your electric guitar, it is not alright for me to murder you and steal it. If I want to bugger your son, it is not OK for me to rape him. These things have not changed. In fact, modern science has brought us to the state of ancient Egypt and “mythical” Atlantis, where the scientists are “gods” restrained by no ethics or morality. Moses was raised as a prince in Egypt. He knew science beyond your conception. You make a very common mistake in believing that modern, Western civilization is the highest technological society humans have ever achieved. Even if this were true, good and evil have not changed.

]]> By: raffaele http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm/comment-page-1#comment-71614 raffaele Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:17:22 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm#comment-71614 the same moment you accept to dress with cloths, you accept to wear glasses to better see, you accept medicines, modern weapons to protect yourself................. you change, you become part of evolution when you accept any technoligal advance : books, weapons, computers, machines, surgeries.... you are influenced by such devices. Such devices have a cultural impact on you, any time you accept an innovation you accept to change your lifestyle, and you also make an ethical choice. You may deny it, but you are lying to yourself. I consider you do not do it porpously but because you are ignorant of this fact. the same moment you accept to dress with cloths, you accept to wear glasses to better see, you accept medicines, modern weapons to protect yourself…………….. you change, you become part of evolution
when you accept any technoligal advance : books, weapons, computers, machines, surgeries…. you are influenced by such devices. Such devices have a cultural impact on you, any time you accept an innovation you accept to change your lifestyle, and you also make an ethical choice.
You may deny it, but you are lying to yourself. I consider you do not do it porpously but because you are ignorant of this fact.

]]> By: Dave http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm/comment-page-1#comment-71508 Dave Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:18:40 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm#comment-71508 Joseph, you are right on. Technology changes, but human beings' behaviour does not. I am sure that there will be some Jewish people in the 23rd century on another planet studying Mussar literature. Joseph, you are right on. Technology changes, but human beings’ behaviour does not. I am sure that there will be some Jewish people in the 23rd century on another planet studying Mussar literature.

]]> By: Joseph http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm/comment-page-1#comment-71503 Joseph Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:32:11 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm#comment-71503 rafaele -- No offense taken. But I do not believe in social evolution. The One Eternal is beyond time. There is no change. It is like a CD -- all the music is always there, we just choose which song we will play. It can be a good song or an evil song. But an evil song does not become a good song. rafaele — No offense taken. But I do not believe in social evolution. The One Eternal is beyond time. There is no change. It is like a CD — all the music is always there, we just choose which song we will play. It can be a good song or an evil song. But an evil song does not become a good song.

]]> By: raffaele http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm/comment-page-1#comment-71500 raffaele Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:06:48 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm#comment-71500 Joseph I do understand you > I did not mean to offend you, I married myself very late (30)so I understand you. > The point you miss or probably do not share is that society is > changing due to technological pressure and new knowledges, > new scientific and historical discoveries. > You cannot apply the conservative-lastlong rule. It has nothing to do with empirism. > People refuse to accept the future because it changes their > securities, their fixed points. We all want to live with our > certainties, with our unchangeable beliefs, me too. > Adam could rest in Eden for the rest of his days, for eternity. He > had a choice (maybe he was given a choice) and choosed > the fruit of knowledge, he choosed to live without > securities...............to abandon the golden prison for his mind. > He choosed to know, to suffer, to feel pain and joy..... he choosed to be a god. > It is probably the same when a young orthodox leaves the community. > Isn't it? Joy and pain, knowledge and ignorance, all > of a sudden.... > I am not judging, what is good or bad. I am saying we have the > choice in our hands all the time. I respect both as long as > one does not try to invade other freedom. Joseph I do understand you
> I did not mean to offend you, I married myself very late (30)so I understand you.
> The point you miss or probably do not share is that society is
> changing due to technological pressure and new knowledges,
> new scientific and historical discoveries.
> You cannot apply the conservative-lastlong rule. It has nothing to do with empirism.
> People refuse to accept the future because it changes their
> securities, their fixed points. We all want to live with our
> certainties, with our unchangeable beliefs, me too.
> Adam could rest in Eden for the rest of his days, for eternity. He
> had a choice (maybe he was given a choice) and choosed
> the fruit of knowledge, he choosed to live without
> securities……………to abandon the golden prison for his mind.
> He choosed to know, to suffer, to feel pain and joy….. he choosed to be a god.
> It is probably the same when a young orthodox leaves the community.
> Isn’t it? Joy and pain, knowledge and ignorance, all
> of a sudden….
> I am not judging, what is good or bad. I am saying we have the
> choice in our hands all the time. I respect both as long as
> one does not try to invade other freedom.

]]> By: Joseph http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm/comment-page-1#comment-71422 Joseph Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:00:14 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm#comment-71422 raffaele -- Historically it is possible that anyone is/was homosexual. But the gay lobby likes to claim any person that was not married, and many that were. Anyone who had any male friends is liable to be claimed by them. Anyone who did not marry is suspect. It angers me greatly. I am divorced and have not as yet remarried. That is enough for the damned homosexual activists to claim me. It is like the Mormons baptizing Jews that were killed at in the Holocaust. I do not have words for the fury it raises in me. Similarly, homosexuals used to keep it to themselves. Now, they make unwanted advances to straight people, and when they are told you are not gay, they often come back with something like, "Well, you are, but you just don't know it yet." When you hear about gays being beaten, it is usually for something like that. I am pretty sure Italy no longer puts homosexuals in mental hospitals, just for being homosexual. Hasn't Italy got the lowest reproduction rate in Europe (except for the Muslims, I mean)? People with genetic deformities should not be killed, but they should not reproduce. The mentally retarded should not reproduce. Homosexuals should keep it to themselves. You liberals do know what the Muslims do to homosexuals, don't you? How about claiming some of them as homosexual, and see how long it takes to get a fatwah on your infidel a**. Societies go through cycles of moral conservatism and libertinism. The decadent Weimar Germany did not last. The decadent West of the present will not last. The homosexual activists will be largely responsible for the right wing backlash that will inevitably come. raffaele — Historically it is possible that anyone is/was homosexual. But the gay lobby likes to claim any person that was not married, and many that were. Anyone who had any male friends is liable to be claimed by them. Anyone who did not marry is suspect. It angers me greatly. I am divorced and have not as yet remarried. That is enough for the damned homosexual activists to claim me. It is like the Mormons baptizing Jews that were killed at in the Holocaust. I do not have words for the fury it raises in me. Similarly, homosexuals used to keep it to themselves. Now, they make unwanted advances to straight people, and when they are told you are not gay, they often come back with something like, “Well, you are, but you just don’t know it yet.” When you hear about gays being beaten, it is usually for something like that. I am pretty sure Italy no longer puts homosexuals in mental hospitals, just for being homosexual. Hasn’t Italy got the lowest reproduction rate in Europe (except for the Muslims, I mean)? People with genetic deformities should not be killed, but they should not reproduce. The mentally retarded should not reproduce. Homosexuals should keep it to themselves. You liberals do know what the Muslims do to homosexuals, don’t you? How about claiming some of them as homosexual, and see how long it takes to get a fatwah on your infidel a**. Societies go through cycles of moral conservatism and libertinism. The decadent Weimar Germany did not last. The decadent West of the present will not last. The homosexual activists will be largely responsible for the right wing backlash that will inevitably come.

]]> By: raffaele http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm/comment-page-1#comment-71371 raffaele Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:33:25 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/subversive-lifestyles.htm#comment-71371 -Historically there are some possibilities that Michelangelo was an homosexual The same for Leonardo. You cannot count the numbers of homosexual in history because it was banned with death. Do you think it was easy to be a jew in medieval Europe? In many cases it meant death and that is the reason millions of jews in Europe still hide or deny their origins. -I would not use the word “mental desease”, “moral degradation”. It justifies discrimination and pogrooms. Call it diversity. When you hide behind such words you build an highway to persecutions. I lived close a 1000 people crazy house in the state of italy and I have seen plenty of innocent tortured just because they were “morally degradated”. They were calling it mental illness and was the justification to imprison and tortured. -Many religions do not respect Shabbath as many religions condemn homosexuality -“Beneficial traits” recalls me Darwin. Following your logic, we should justify any kind of incapability of bringing beneficial traits as something to bann. Are you saying : “let’s kill all the cripples because it is not a beneficial trait?” -Brutes and academist inhabit all places and are among all people, it is not a caracteristic of homosexuals -Conservative societies last long? As long as society does not move, yes, but human advances are so fast that conservative societies will collapse or survive just thanks to modern mercy societies. Speaking in evolutionary terms conservative societies are deemed to extinction due to evolutionary pressures -If homosexuality was not a persistent status in history, it because it was heavily condamned by those who mainteined to have truth in their hands, and did all sorts of killings in its name. -I appreciate the comment on “decent rabbi”, are you the one? raffaele -Historically there are some possibilities that Michelangelo was an homosexual The same for Leonardo. You cannot count the numbers of homosexual in history because it was banned with death. Do you think it was easy to be a jew in medieval Europe? In many cases it meant death and that is the reason millions of jews in Europe still hide or deny their origins.
-I would not use the word “mental desease”, “moral degradation”. It justifies discrimination and pogrooms. Call it diversity. When you hide behind such words you build an highway to persecutions. I lived close a 1000 people crazy house in the state of italy and I have seen plenty of innocent tortured just because they were “morally degradated”. They were calling it mental illness and was the justification to imprison and tortured.
-Many religions do not respect Shabbath as many religions condemn homosexuality
-“Beneficial traits” recalls me Darwin. Following your logic, we should justify any kind of incapability of bringing beneficial traits as something to bann. Are you saying : “let’s kill all the cripples because it is not a beneficial trait?”
-Brutes and academist inhabit all places and are among all people, it is not a caracteristic of homosexuals
-Conservative societies last long? As long as society does not move, yes, but human advances are so fast that conservative societies will collapse or survive just thanks to
modern mercy societies. Speaking in evolutionary terms conservative societies are deemed to extinction due to evolutionary pressures
-If homosexuality was not a persistent status in history, it because it was heavily condamned by those who mainteined to have truth in their hands, and did all sorts of killings in its name.
-I appreciate the comment on “decent rabbi”, are you the one?

raffaele

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