Homosexuals are often praised as creative, but undisciplined custom-breaking artists, many of whom are homosexuals, don’t create much. They cannot compete with orderly minds like those of Michelangelo or Da Vinci.
Only a tiny fraction of homosexuals are biological deviants. For most, homosexuality is a lifestyle issue. Or should we imagine that pop culture and media are stuffed with biological deviants?
Homosexuality is not the only biological deviation. There are various mental diseases—kleptomania, for example. But people with these diseases don’t promote their lifestyle in schools. We don’t proclaim stealing an innocent behavior because a number of people cannot abstain from stealing. Societies suppress harmful behaviors, whether lifestyle choices or inborn traits.
Homosexuality is often a conspicuous sign of moral degradation. Homosexuality is widespread among self-hating Jews, cosmopolite pop idols, and the ultra-left.
It must be for a reason that every major religion condemns homosexuality. Homosexuality, in statistical terms, is a deviation without any signs of being a beneficial trait. And people naturally detest deviations because they threaten social stability. Most homosexuals are either brutes (Roman legionnaires, Bedouin, exaggeratedly masculine Western gays, prisoners) or experimenting “artistic” types (leftist academics and media idols). Neither type is desirable in decent societies. Homosexuality is a marked step toward social experimentation. Conservative societies endure long, but social experimenters, whether they seek pleasure or distant ideals, invariably deform their societies and fail.
Conservative Greek regions such as Ionia banned homosexuality, while it thrived in advanced Athens and Thebes. Greeks and Romans had homosexual relations often but not exclusively, as the modern “biological” gays do. Few characters of ancient history are known to have engaged in homosexual relations only. The concept of biological homosexuality is a modern invention. And should we take the Greek examples for granted? They routinely had gay sex with minors, among other vices. An important reason for homosexuality was that adults could have undetectable sex with young boys but not girls. Greco-Roman homosexuality was often pederasty—a major crime in modern societies. Greeks, moreover, detested the passive role in homosexual relations, which was reserved for slaves and minors. Even so, the “noble” homosexual relations were intercrural. Ancient Greeks, a model for modern homosexuals, would have found their sexual habits abominable. Decent Greeks did not engage in the promiscuity typical of modern homosexuals.
Early Roman society was widely contemptuous of homosexuality, and the developed Empire held similar views. The passive role was reserved for slaves, and was strongly detested.
Pauline Christianity in all other respects bent over backward to accomodate pagan tastes. The fact that Paul lashed out against homosexuality suggests that a lot of people shared his view.
Homosexuality as a persistent lifestyle was never common. In the famed Dutch persecution of homosexuals of the 1730s, only about a hundred people were executed. The current wave of homosexuality is not unique. Several times throughout history homosexuality has become widespread, usually on the background of social turmoil, such as in the period from the seventh to the eleventh centuries, and then reduced back to insignificance as societies accepted the moral yoke.
Prohibition of homosexuality is not central to the Torah. The ban on homosexuality merely interprets the Ten Commandments’ prohibition of adultery. The Torah contains several lists of sexual taboos, and only one such list includes homosexuality. Still, the prohibition is there.
A ban on homosexuality is not tremendously important per se, but it underscores the gap between the Torah’s moral purity and the impurity of political correctness. Expunging homosexuals from the Land of Israel would be a declaration of abandonment of leftism in favor of Jewish values. A society which proscribed homosexuals would smoothly continue to proscribing Arabs and members of subversive groups like Peace Now.
The Torah condemns the violation of Shabbat more strongly than it condemns homosexuality. Can we realistically banish all the atheist Shabbat-transgressing Jews? Transgressors of Shabbat do so in honest ignorance: they were taught atheism and never met a decent rabbi who could convince them otherwise. Homosexuals, however, have the right example everywhere in front of them. Transgressors of Shabbat don’t have their parades in Jerusalem, and many atheist Jews refrain from exhausting work on Sabbath, thus complying with the Torah if not with rabbinical law. Most Jews who don’t observe Sabbath respect those who do. Sabbath transgressors don’t adopt orphans from religious families to teach them to ignore the Sabbath as the homosexuals do with children of heterosexual parents. Even when transgressing publicly, the Sabbath transgressors don’t attempt to impose their attitudes on others. Silent homosexuals are equally harmless. The Torah prescribes punishing only homosexuality demonstrated before witnesses. But homosexual parades—especially in Jerusalem—the propaganda of homosexuality in schools, the flood of homosexuality on TV, homosexual marriage, and adoption of children by homosexuals—those are unacceptable. Homosexuals, as any deviants, must keep a low profile.
To Bill: I believe, this quote expresses the position on homosexuality: Ban on homosexuality is not tremendously important per se, but it underscores the gap between the Torah’s moral purity and the political correctness. Expunging homosexuals from the Land of Israel is a declaration of abandoning leftism in favor of Jewish values. A society which proscribed homosexuals would smoothly continue to proscribing Arabs and members of subversive groups like the Peace Now.”
Proscribing open expression of homosexuality in Israel (sort of zoning homosexuality, just like striptease establishments are zoned in America) is a symbolic act of returning to the Torah.
Though my experience with gay people is very limited, I;m under the impression about the two hugely different strata of gays. There are, so to say, “natural” gays whose homosexuality is inborn or at least deeply rooted. From my limited experience, there are very few of them. The majority of gays are of the second, lifestyle type. Homosexuality for them is a matter of experimentation. There are a lot of such lifestyle gays among the artistic social groups, including mass media staff. While the first group is subjectivey okay, the second leaves very ugly impression on me. Based on your apparently larger experience, would you agree?
To Bill: I agree with you that leftists hijacked the gay notion. On the other hand, leftists created the gay movement.
I cannot recall any of my religious friends – way more religious than myself – who care about the others’ sexual orientation. But a lot of my friends – atheists included – care a lot about the leftist expressions of the gay notion. First of all, the gay parades in Jerusalem. Remember that gays on Tel Aviv beaches and even the gay parades in Tel Aviv aroused no concern in Israel.
Now, in what terms would you like us to protest the gay parades in Jerusalem? That’s obviously a religious matter. Tacit homosexuality s unobjectionable and not even punishable according to the Torah. We have no intention of guarding your bedroom. But there are definite religious guidelines which cannot be crossed without shattering the Jewish idea. In fact, I’m sure the leftists marched the gays in Jerusalem specifically to oppose the Jewish idea rather than to advance the gays’ rights.
What we ask of the gay community is very much the same we ask of Muslims, Russians, any national community: take care of your own affairs. An attack on our values by the gays’ legal representatives is considered an attack by the entire gay community. And so is our response directed against all gays. Don’t infringe on our values, and we won’t care about yours. Don’t march in Jerusalem, and we won’t work for expelling you from Israel. Live in civil unions, yours is not a family in any sense. Deal with your leftist leaders who deliberately inflame the issue by asking to call your civil unions, families. It’s not a matter of words, but of the ideas behind them. Families are about family values: a certain type of relations between man and woman, of bearing and bringing up children. It is perfectly understandable that some gays want committed relationship. Civil law provides ample opportunities for such relations, but don’t touch the family law. Don’t insult our religion by claiming that it permits homosexuality, or that the prohibition is an ancient barbarism.
We are not stupid, and quite the realists. We realize that our Israel is far from being a pure society. With all the criminals and government members around, gays are not the most pressing issue of moral purity.
All people have their moral principles. You, too, surely dislike some lifestyles. We dislike the gay lifestyle. But it’s only a matter of personal preference so long as the gays don’t push themselves into our daily lives in the Holy Land.
To Bill: Speaking of equal rights, would you extend equal rights to every non-violent group? Say, how about zoophiles? A right to marry a sheep?
Please understand me right, I don’t equate your lifestyle with zoophilia (and neither does the Torah: the two prohibitions are given very different emphasis). But let’s discuss a theoretical question: should the societies extend equal rights to every non-violent person or are there objective abominations?
You would recall that American Communists didn’t mean a coup, but to take the power democratically, yet they were suppressed. Are there perhaps the values which constitutional republics don’t wish to tolerate?
To Bill: “Animals cannot consent to such things. Also I have never heard of a person being EXCLUSIVELY attracted to animals. So no one is being “denied”.”
Well, we shear and kill sheep, s presumably raping them is no moral issue. And the fact is that no one is attract exclusively to sheep is irrelevant; you won’t similarly ban bisexuals.
Well, so you have wrong opinion about Jews. Jews are not nice. Indeed, Christianity also forbids homosexuality on the pain of eternal damnation.