Comments on: Poor Jews are not poor at all http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:09:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Erick S http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm/comment-page-1#comment-72299 Erick S Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:32:04 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm#comment-72299 Lol No additional comments :) Lol

No additional comments :)

]]> By: Joseph http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm/comment-page-1#comment-72291 Joseph Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:53:14 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm#comment-72291 Erick -- Happily, I believe you joke about the self-hating Jew thing. As the ultimate contradiction, a Buddhist that believes in God, I can tell you that the search for that "self" guy leads only to madness. The One told Moses, "I am that I am". Only the One exists. Each of us is part of the One, and yet, when all is gone, only the One remains. Does that mean Joseph is the One, Erick is the One? Yes and No. Joseph exists only in a specific time and place. The One is beyond time. I can loath Joseph at certain times because of things that Joseph has done in relation to others. But there are really no others, if all is One. How can I loath the One for doing something to no one? Truly madness follows this train of thought. Therefore the One gave his creatures the Law. And if a creature finds an orange t-shirt in the laundry, it means "Go Vols"! Erick — Happily, I believe you joke about the self-hating Jew thing. As the ultimate contradiction, a Buddhist that believes in God, I can tell you that the search for that “self” guy leads only to madness. The One told Moses, “I am that I am”. Only the One exists. Each of us is part of the One, and yet, when all is gone, only the One remains. Does that mean Joseph is the One, Erick is the One? Yes and No. Joseph exists only in a specific time and place. The One is beyond time. I can loath Joseph at certain times because of things that Joseph has done in relation to others. But there are really no others, if all is One. How can I loath the One for doing something to no one? Truly madness follows this train of thought. Therefore the One gave his creatures the Law. And if a creature finds an orange t-shirt in the laundry, it means “Go Vols”!

]]> By: Erick S http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm/comment-page-1#comment-72284 Erick S Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:58:51 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm#comment-72284 Ah, Joseph. Now it is even more confusing. I think I'm gonna become a self-hating Jew. Now, if I could only find that 'self' guy... Ah, Joseph. Now it is even more confusing.
I think I’m gonna become a self-hating Jew. Now, if I could only find that ’self’ guy…

]]> By: Joseph http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm/comment-page-1#comment-72273 Joseph Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:16:41 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm#comment-72273 Erick -- "And what if you forget your violet t-shirt in the Bedouin washing machine, and it becomes bright orange? Does that mean you’re now a bronze-aged Jew????" No, it means that you are meant to support the University of Tennessee Volunteers Football Team in the South Eastern Conference Championship Game (by eating a kosherly prepared steak)! Erick — “And what if you forget your violet t-shirt in the Bedouin washing machine, and it becomes bright orange? Does that mean you’re now a bronze-aged Jew????” No, it means that you are meant to support the University of Tennessee Volunteers Football Team in the South Eastern Conference Championship Game (by eating a kosherly prepared steak)!

]]> By: Joseph http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm/comment-page-1#comment-72266 Joseph Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:23:59 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm#comment-72266 Ray -- In your post at 26 you attributed to me something from Pierre's post at 8. I actually agree with you. Rebuild the Temple, follow the Law, watch what happens. Just good science. It will be difficult to get volunteers who are willing to take the test of true Levites, though -- not painful, but fatal in 11 out of 12 cases. Ray — In your post at 26 you attributed to me something from Pierre’s post at 8. I actually agree with you. Rebuild the Temple, follow the Law, watch what happens. Just good science. It will be difficult to get volunteers who are willing to take the test of true Levites, though — not painful, but fatal in 11 out of 12 cases.

]]> By: Joseph http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm/comment-page-1#comment-72264 Joseph Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:14:43 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm#comment-72264 Moshe -- Once again, this site puts me in the pleasing situation where I must express my gratitude for being corrected. Pascal, not Descartes. And I will not even try to make a bad joke about paleolithic computer languages. Still, I think it is a good rule of thumb, whoever said it. The problem for myself, and perhaps others, who were not raised Jewish, is similar to the same problem of the outsider who tries to study Christianity or Islam: The scriptures are there for everyone to read, but there is constant, often violent, disagreement about what the plain words of the scriptures mean. Americans have the same problem concerning the Constitution -- its language is very clear, but the lawyers on the Supreme Court have perverted its meaning. I am very interested in Jewish oral tradition, but the Torah, as written by hand, letter for letter, from the beginning of Jewish history, is the Law. It would please me greatly for you, or anyone else, to point me towards a rabbi that takes the Torah, as given to Moses, as the literal Law of the One given to the Hebrews. What I have found is that even the Orthodox spend the greatest amount of their time finding excuses why they are not required to do what the Law clearly commands. Of course, that is just the impression of a Gentile who has read the Torah, and who sees Orthodox guys who will not trim their beards or their temple locks or ride in a car on Saturday, but who do nothing about a Mosque sitting on top of the Temple. Mental masturbation? That is such an easy setup, I will not even pursue it. Supposedly Orthodox rabbis tell me it is OK to eat insects that are spliced into tomatoes. And God only knows what genetic modifications have been made to meat products they certify as "kosher". I guess I am just missing something that the "oral" torah would make clear. When al-Aqsa comes down, I will be very interested in listening to any rabbis that were involved. Moshe — Once again, this site puts me in the pleasing situation where I must express my gratitude for being corrected. Pascal, not Descartes. And I will not even try to make a bad joke about paleolithic computer languages. Still, I think it is a good rule of thumb, whoever said it. The problem for myself, and perhaps others, who were not raised Jewish, is similar to the same problem of the outsider who tries to study Christianity or Islam: The scriptures are there for everyone to read, but there is constant, often violent, disagreement about what the plain words of the scriptures mean. Americans have the same problem concerning the Constitution — its language is very clear, but the lawyers on the Supreme Court have perverted its meaning. I am very interested in Jewish oral tradition, but the Torah, as written by hand, letter for letter, from the beginning of Jewish history, is the Law. It would please me greatly for you, or anyone else, to point me towards a rabbi that takes the Torah, as given to Moses, as the literal Law of the One given to the Hebrews. What I have found is that even the Orthodox spend the greatest amount of their time finding excuses why they are not required to do what the Law clearly commands. Of course, that is just the impression of a Gentile who has read the Torah, and who sees Orthodox guys who will not trim their beards or their temple locks or ride in a car on Saturday, but who do nothing about a Mosque sitting on top of the Temple. Mental masturbation? That is such an easy setup, I will not even pursue it. Supposedly Orthodox rabbis tell me it is OK to eat insects that are spliced into tomatoes. And God only knows what genetic modifications have been made to meat products they certify as “kosher”. I guess I am just missing something that the “oral” torah would make clear. When al-Aqsa comes down, I will be very interested in listening to any rabbis that were involved.

]]> By: Erick S http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm/comment-page-1#comment-72239 Erick S Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:56:46 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm#comment-72239 Ray, are you saying fat Americans are stupider? About time... Ray, are you saying fat Americans are stupider?
About time…

]]> By: chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm/comment-page-1#comment-72185 chaim Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:41:04 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm#comment-72185 TO Ray: Absolutely wrong: Christians are not a sect of Jews. Today Jews are a sect of Bnei Israel, and Christians are a Gentile religion with some traces of Jesus plain name, almost not Jesus teachings, and the theory of 2 Gods: The Hebrew G-d, as you describe it in your posts, and the Christian god, a sweet and careful father. SO you have to check your beliefs agains this theory, know where it comes from, and how you were influenced. Think Twice TO Ray:
Absolutely wrong: Christians are not a sect of Jews. Today Jews are a sect of Bnei Israel, and Christians are a Gentile religion with some traces of Jesus plain name, almost not Jesus teachings, and the theory of 2 Gods: The Hebrew G-d, as you describe it in your posts, and the Christian god, a sweet and careful father. SO you have to check your beliefs agains this theory, know where it comes from, and how you were influenced.
Think Twice

]]> By: Ray Bright http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm/comment-page-1#comment-72182 Ray Bright Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:39:48 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm#comment-72182 To Denny, You are right that all we know is that there is correlation. We do not know about if there is a cause and effect relationship. However it is true that low content of fat in the blood, (corresponding to the low-fat vegan diet)allows for up to 20% transport of oxygen to the brain (and to the back of retina), as compared to the standard American Diet. This seems to indicate that there may be a cause and effect relationship between diet and intelligence. To Denny,
You are right that all we know is that there is correlation. We do not know about if there is a cause and effect relationship.
However it is true that low content of fat in the blood, (corresponding to the low-fat vegan diet)allows for up to 20% transport of oxygen to the brain (and to the back of retina), as compared to the standard American Diet. This seems to indicate that there may be a cause and effect relationship between diet and intelligence.

]]> By: Ray Bright http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm/comment-page-1#comment-72181 Ray Bright Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:36:12 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/poor-jews-are-not-poor-at-all.htm#comment-72181 Chaim, You please understand that I AM Jewish, and I do love my people (the Jews), I don't want to hurt the feelings of the religious Jews including yourself. My ideal of a Jewish country is that the religious Jews are given full freedom to practice their religion, and their practices are fully accepted and supported (for example the Sabath) , and at the same time I want the religious Jews to giving the full freedom to the non-religious Jews to live as they wish. There should be enough space and respect for both. You are saying that I am referring to the Christian Mr. God. But as far as I am concerned Christianity is really a Jewish sect. (A messianic Jewish sect to be precise.) I hope one day Christians will realize that they are Judaic. They are Jews, and only then there will real be peace between Christians and Jews. Otherwise Christians are secretly jealous of Jews, because "their" bible says that "Jews are the chosen people". So when I a describe the "Mr. God" he is Jewish and therefore also Christian. His character is clearly described in the Torah. The important thing is that you don't have to agree with me on anything. I can share with you what I see and what I think, but please don't think that i am trying to convince you. I have no objection to you believing in what I consider myths: So these are just my thoughts:I read Torah, and I find tremendously beautiful stories, parables, allegories. Also some valuable historical information. And I also find a character of Mr. God which corresponds to the level of development of the ancient Hebrews: An anthropomorphic Mr. God, gets angry all the time and keeps punishing for disobedience behaving like a neurotic and narcissistic autocrat. Right from the start: he punishes Adam and Even for disobeying. What is this obsession with obedience? Very childish, very immature, very feudal, too. The motive of obedience is the most important motive in the whole Torah. When Jews obey Mr.God, he rewards them, when they disobey he punishes them. I would say that this is a typical Bronze Age Mr. God. Chaim,
You please understand that I AM Jewish, and I do love my people (the Jews), I don’t want to hurt the feelings of the religious Jews including yourself. My ideal of a Jewish country is that the religious Jews are given full freedom to practice their religion, and their practices are fully accepted and supported (for example the Sabath)
, and at the same time I want the religious Jews to giving the full freedom to the non-religious Jews to live as they wish. There should be enough space and respect for both.

You are saying that I am referring to the Christian Mr. God. But as far as I am concerned Christianity is really a Jewish sect. (A messianic Jewish sect to be precise.) I hope one day Christians will realize that they are Judaic. They are Jews, and only then there will real be peace between Christians and Jews. Otherwise Christians are secretly jealous of Jews, because “their” bible says that “Jews are the chosen people”.

So when I a describe the “Mr. God” he is Jewish and therefore also Christian. His character is clearly described in the Torah.
The important thing is that you don’t have to agree with me on anything. I can share with you what I see and what I think, but please don’t think that i am trying to convince you. I have no objection to you believing in what I consider myths:
So these are just my thoughts:I read Torah, and I find tremendously beautiful stories, parables, allegories. Also some valuable historical information. And I also find a character of Mr. God which corresponds to the level of development of the ancient Hebrews: An anthropomorphic Mr. God, gets angry all the time and keeps punishing for disobedience behaving like a neurotic and narcissistic autocrat. Right from the start: he punishes Adam and Even for disobeying. What is this obsession with obedience? Very childish, very immature, very feudal, too. The motive of obedience is the most important motive in the whole Torah. When Jews obey Mr.God, he rewards them, when they disobey he punishes them. I would say that this is a typical Bronze Age Mr. God.

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