Comments on: Political violence: useful, legal, and justified http://samsonblinded.org/blog/political-violence-useful-legal-and-justified.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Sat, 19 May 2012 18:30:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Miriam Shoshana bas Devorah Yached http://samsonblinded.org/blog/political-violence-useful-legal-and-justified.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112952 Miriam Shoshana bas Devorah Yached Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:11:15 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/political-violence-useful-legal-and-justified.htm#comment-112952 Oy. When I think about the Arabs moaning and yelling and violence (thank, in great part to our spoon-feeding their delusions about having ANY right - to even LEBANON, much less plots of land inside the dot of land now called, Israel: THEY PRAY WITH THEIR BUTTS FACING JERUSALEM. Why doesn't anyone ever bring THIS up? Their "prophet" instructed them to! Isn't this alone a clue hot enough? Anuses aimed toward Yerushalayim, by millions, 5 times a day. Maybe it's just me, but I would not want to claim land that all I want to do is defecate on, which they have literally done. Remember the synagogues in Gush Katif?. Even if I were not Jewish, I could deduce a lot from only that one FACT. Even the most 'unorthodox' Jews g to the trouble of building places of worship so that the congregation faces Yerushalayim when praying. So, let US make some absolute demands: They have to change their religion WORLD-WIDE, if they "love" Jerusalem SO MUCH. EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM MUST STAND AND FACE OUR BELOVED HOLY CITY WHEN THEY PRAY, every time they pray. Off the knees, STAND in RESPECT, and offer your sincerest love for HaShem's Mitzvot - FACING HIS HOLY CITY. No? Then GO AWAY, and dwell among the rest of the gazillions of acres surrounding our tiny dot on the maps, whose ONLY name FOREVER is YISROEL, and always has been, long before your "prophet" was born, and long, long before his cave dreams of winged horsies and other schizoid ideation. There you can drop to your knees and bend over with the rest of the tush pointers.. Just my simplistic take- on the most obvious of FACTS. It seems that will happen on the 12th of NEVER, and that's a long, long time. Oy.
When I think about the Arabs moaning and yelling and violence (thank, in great part to our spoon-feeding their delusions about having ANY right – to even LEBANON, much less plots of land inside the dot of land now called, Israel:
THEY PRAY WITH THEIR BUTTS FACING JERUSALEM. Why doesn’t anyone ever bring THIS up? Their “prophet” instructed them to!
Isn’t this alone a clue hot enough? Anuses aimed toward Yerushalayim, by millions, 5 times a day.
Maybe it’s just me, but I would not want to claim land that all I want to do is defecate on, which they have literally done. Remember the synagogues in Gush Katif?.
Even if I were not Jewish, I could deduce a lot from only that one FACT.
Even the most ‘unorthodox’ Jews g to the trouble of building places of worship so that the congregation faces Yerushalayim when praying.
So, let US make some absolute demands: They have to change their religion WORLD-WIDE, if they “love” Jerusalem SO MUCH. EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM MUST STAND AND FACE OUR BELOVED HOLY CITY WHEN THEY PRAY, every time they pray. Off the knees, STAND in RESPECT, and offer your sincerest love for HaShem’s Mitzvot – FACING HIS HOLY CITY.
No?
Then GO AWAY, and dwell among the rest of the gazillions of acres surrounding our tiny dot on the maps, whose ONLY name FOREVER is YISROEL, and always has been, long before your “prophet” was born, and long, long before his cave dreams of winged horsies and other schizoid ideation.
There you can drop to your knees and bend over with the rest of the tush pointers..
Just my simplistic take- on the most obvious of FACTS. It seems that will happen on the 12th of NEVER, and that’s a long, long time.

]]> By: Ray Bright http://samsonblinded.org/blog/political-violence-useful-legal-and-justified.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112711 Ray Bright Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:17:58 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/political-violence-useful-legal-and-justified.htm#comment-112711 That's exactly my point. Perhaps expelling Arabs from Israel will result in good relations between Arabs and Jews a generation later. After the big expulsion there were 165,000 Germans left in Czechoslovakia. Then additional 100,000 Germans left between 1950 and 1995. I think that it is important that West Germany (and later united Germany) was a much wealthier country than Czech, therefore the expelled Germans and their children did not feel much resentment. They were much better off then they would have been if they stayed. * The situation is the opposite with Israel. The Arab countries are poor and compared to them Israel is rich, so the expelled Arabs (and other Arabs as well) are likely to be resentful and envious. * Unfortunately they are not honest enough to admit that they are poor because they live in a Middle Age mindset that cannot produce wealth. Instead they will blame the Jews for their poverty: "Jews stole their land", "Jewish world conspiracy makes them poor" etc. That’s exactly my point. Perhaps expelling Arabs from Israel will result in good relations between Arabs and Jews a generation later.

After the big expulsion there were 165,000 Germans left in Czechoslovakia. Then additional 100,000 Germans left between 1950 and 1995. I think that it is important that West Germany (and later united Germany) was a much wealthier country than Czech, therefore the expelled Germans and their children did not feel much resentment. They were much better off then they would have been if they stayed.
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The situation is the opposite with Israel. The Arab countries are poor and compared to them Israel is rich, so the expelled Arabs (and other Arabs as well) are likely to be resentful and envious.
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Unfortunately they are not honest enough to admit that they are poor because they live in a Middle Age mindset that cannot produce wealth. Instead they will blame the Jews for their poverty: “Jews stole their land”, “Jewish world conspiracy makes them poor” etc.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/political-violence-useful-legal-and-justified.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112662 Danny the Admin Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:34:09 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/political-violence-useful-legal-and-justified.htm#comment-112662 Czechs had a good sense to expel all Germans with the direct approval of Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin at Potsdam Czechs had a good sense to expel all Germans with the direct approval of Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin at Potsdam

]]> By: Ray Bright http://samsonblinded.org/blog/political-violence-useful-legal-and-justified.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112633 Ray Bright Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:36:21 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/political-violence-useful-legal-and-justified.htm#comment-112633 Interesting post. I vaguely recall the story that the Jewish tribe was circumcised. Some young local prince had sex with a daughter of one of the patriarchs, then fell in love with her and wanted to marry her. The patriarch demanded that the prince and his people get's circumcised, which they did, but the brothers of the girl killed the prince and his people. Something like that. As for enmity, I don't see it as a necessity. For example there is no enmity between Germans and Czechs today, though according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland In the February 1921 census 3,123,000 Germans lived in all Czechoslovakia, i.e. 23.4% of the total population. In 1938, 97.32% of the adult population voted for NSDAP and 17.34% of the German population in Sudetenland joined the Nazi Party (average for all of Germany was 7.85%) In 2001 census, only 40,000 people in the Czech Republic claimed German ethnicity. There is some parallel here to the "Palestinian" Arab population in the Land of Israel. The numbers of Arabs are much smaller, and their connection with the land is for most part much shorter and less important (since many were semi-nomads.) Interesting post. I vaguely recall the story that the Jewish tribe was circumcised. Some young local prince had sex with a daughter of one of the patriarchs, then fell in love with her and wanted to marry her. The patriarch demanded that the prince and his people get’s circumcised, which they did, but the brothers of the girl killed the prince and his people.
Something like that.

As for enmity, I don’t see it as a necessity. For example there is no enmity between Germans and Czechs today, though according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland

In the February 1921 census 3,123,000 Germans lived in all Czechoslovakia, i.e. 23.4% of the total population.
In 1938, 97.32% of the adult population voted for NSDAP and 17.34% of the German population in Sudetenland joined the Nazi Party (average for all of Germany was 7.85%)

In 2001 census, only 40,000 people in the Czech Republic claimed German ethnicity.

There is some parallel here to the “Palestinian” Arab population in the Land of Israel. The numbers of Arabs are much smaller, and their connection with the land is for most part much shorter and less important (since many were semi-nomads.)

]]> By: chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/political-violence-useful-legal-and-justified.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112629 chaim Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:48:10 +0000 http://samsonblinded.com/blog/political-violence-useful-legal-and-justified.htm#comment-112629 Nice post. You just forget that jews are forbidden to live where they want (Judah and Shomrom). This will be called anti-semitism in 2 seconds if were in another part of the world. I mean, If I as jew want to live in Betlehem, a lot of people will forbid me to do so, even worse, the Israeli government will do it first. But I want to live in some place in Austria and I'm impeded to do so, well, the whole host of Jewish organization will tear their clothes. Again, again and again: Abraham DID NOT circumcised in order to be like the locals. he did so in order to be different. Where you get Canaanites did so? Did you read David the king story? Of course moabites used a kind-of-hebrew. So did phoenicians and Syrians. Because hebrew comes from there. Nice post. You just forget that jews are forbidden to live where they want (Judah and Shomrom). This will be called anti-semitism in 2 seconds if were in another part of the world. I mean, If I as jew want to live in Betlehem, a lot of people will forbid me to do so, even worse, the Israeli government will do it first. But I want to live in some place in Austria and I’m impeded to do so, well, the whole host of Jewish organization will tear their clothes.

Again, again and again: Abraham DID NOT circumcised in order to be like the locals. he did so in order to be different. Where you get Canaanites did so? Did you read David the king story?

Of course moabites used a kind-of-hebrew. So did phoenicians and Syrians. Because hebrew comes from there.

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