Comments on: Permissive unto death http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:09:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Judah http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm/comment-page-1#comment-63299 Judah Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:51:00 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm#comment-63299 Danny, I think the post does imply AIDS is restricted to homosexuals. Here's the bit in question, "Thus school courses on homosexuality and hysteria about AIDS frightening decent people out of single bars – for they don’t know that AIDS is restricted to homosexuals and drug addicts." I agree that it was originally spread mostly through AIDS and that homosexuals and drug addicts are especially prone to the virus, but that's not the same as being restricted to them. Danny, now that you have fixed the RSS feed (thanks!), I no longer need to be subscribed via email to new posts. I clicked the 'unsubscribe' link in the email, but I get taken to a page that displays the following error: Danny, I think the post does imply AIDS is restricted to homosexuals. Here’s the bit in question,

“Thus school courses on homosexuality and hysteria about AIDS frightening decent people out of single bars – for they don’t know that AIDS is restricted to homosexuals and drug addicts.”

I agree that it was originally spread mostly through AIDS and that homosexuals and drug addicts are especially prone to the virus, but that’s not the same as being restricted to them.

Danny, now that you have fixed the RSS feed (thanks!), I no longer need to be subscribed via email to new posts. I clicked the ‘unsubscribe’ link in the email, but I get taken to a page that displays the following error:

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm/comment-page-1#comment-61679 Danny the Admin Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:08:39 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm#comment-61679 The post doesn't say that AIDS is restricted to homosexuals. AIDS is just predominantly spread among homosexuals and drug addicts. You're right about Africa, perhaps they should have had less sex with monkeys. I don't know about India. I think very positively about cleansing the Land of Israel from gays. But as the first step, none should be allowed to parade in Jerusalem. Looking at hundreds of my friends and acquaintances, I doubt that 7% of the population is homosexual. The post doesn’t say that AIDS is restricted to homosexuals. AIDS is just predominantly spread among homosexuals and drug addicts. You’re right about Africa, perhaps they should have had less sex with monkeys. I don’t know about India.
I think very positively about cleansing the Land of Israel from gays. But as the first step, none should be allowed to parade in Jerusalem.
Looking at hundreds of my friends and acquaintances, I doubt that 7% of the population is homosexual.

]]> By: Boaz http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm/comment-page-1#comment-61498 Boaz Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:22:02 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm#comment-61498 Allow me just one - not neglectable data – AIDS is NOT RESTRICTED to homosexuals and drug addicts. Not even in the Western World. The actual tendency of AIDS in the Western World is the spreading among heterosexual partners: a husband goes to a prostitute and after that infects his on wife (who would imagine that not all heterosexuals rule themselves thought chastity?). It’s true that in the Western countries a large percentage of AIDS patients are male homosexuals and drug addicts, but in Africa, where more than 60% of the AIDS infected people live, most of them are actually heterosexual men. In India, now the country with the largest number of AIDS infected population in the World, most are female prostitutes and theirs male clients. And also in many countries of East Asia. In China, many thousands were infected by untested blood transfusions. And so on. Check your data. If you hate gays so much – they don’t have my sympathy for that matter either – what do you think about cleaning out the thousands of gays in Tel Aviv? And if 7-10% of the human kind is homosexual, you might even have to come to terms with someone in your own family… who knows… Allow me just one – not neglectable data – AIDS is NOT RESTRICTED to homosexuals and drug addicts. Not even in the Western World. The actual tendency of AIDS in the Western World is the spreading among heterosexual partners: a husband goes to a prostitute and after that infects his on wife (who would imagine that not all heterosexuals rule themselves thought chastity?). It’s true that in the Western countries a large percentage of AIDS patients are male homosexuals and drug addicts, but in Africa, where more than 60% of the AIDS infected people live, most of them are actually heterosexual men. In India, now the country with the largest number of AIDS infected population in the World, most are female prostitutes and theirs male clients. And also in many countries of East Asia. In China, many thousands were infected by untested blood transfusions. And so on. Check your data.
If you hate gays so much – they don’t have my sympathy for that matter either – what do you think about cleaning out the thousands of gays in Tel Aviv?
And if 7-10% of the human kind is homosexual, you might even have to come to terms with someone in your own family… who knows…

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm/comment-page-1#comment-61419 Danny the Admin Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:00:45 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm#comment-61419 To Bill: Well, in practice every society has a huge pool of singles and divorcees, so polygamous Muslim societies don't really have much of a problem of poor men being unable to find themselves wives. Prohibition of polygamy and bestiality is purely moral, and the attempts to rationalize it are futile. But if we accept moral prohibitions in case of polygamy and bestiality, might we not accept them in other cases of sexual activity? But I want to stress again that Judaism doesn't punish homosexuality per se, but rather pubic displays of it. I, for example, have a problem not with gays, but with their parades in Jerusalem. And yes, I do know that most of Israeli homosexuals ignore these parades. To Bill: Well, in practice every society has a huge pool of singles and divorcees, so polygamous Muslim societies don’t really have much of a problem of poor men being unable to find themselves wives.
Prohibition of polygamy and bestiality is purely moral, and the attempts to rationalize it are futile.
But if we accept moral prohibitions in case of polygamy and bestiality, might we not accept them in other cases of sexual activity?
But I want to stress again that Judaism doesn’t punish homosexuality per se, but rather pubic displays of it. I, for example, have a problem not with gays, but with their parades in Jerusalem. And yes, I do know that most of Israeli homosexuals ignore these parades.

]]> By: Erick S http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm/comment-page-1#comment-61401 Erick S Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:35:47 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm#comment-61401 Bill, I think you brought up a lot of good points. I can only wonder how many partners do promiscuous hetrosexuals (Men <b>and</b> women) have these days, and in some places in Africa about a third of the population has HIV (Or more. I dare not assume). <blockquote>I find “ugly” people kissing particularly gross but would never say they should be hidden any more than “attractive” people</blockquote> You killed me with that one. That's how it is on television, though :) Bill, I think you brought up a lot of good points.
I can only wonder how many partners do promiscuous hetrosexuals (Men and women) have these days, and in some places in Africa about a third of the population has HIV (Or more. I dare not assume).

I find “ugly” people kissing particularly gross but would never say they should be hidden any more than “attractive” people

You killed me with that one.
That’s how it is on television, though :)

]]> By: Bill http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm/comment-page-1#comment-61370 Bill Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:36:56 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm#comment-61370 To Ray Bright #3 Science is moving in the direction opposite your premise "gay sex is abnormal" Rather it is on the normal spectrum of human sexual orientation-- as is handedness, right or left.And is certainly 100 percent biological. Genetics is just one possible biological explanation for sexuality or handedness. I agree, genetics is NOT the sole explanation for people like me being gay. I think it is maybe 50-75 percent at most. Tantalizing research shows that right handed boys are more likely to be gay, the more older brothers they have. This is not true for left handed boys who all are more likely to be gay (regardless of the number of older brothers they have.) Gay men have on average different proportion/ sized fingers and even the direction of the "swirl" on top of one's head! Most experts see evidence that the Pre-natal environment is the determining factor of sexual orientation. Early trauma is simply not capable of changing the very structure of the hypothalmus- the part of the brain responsible for the determination of sexual orientation, among other physical features on the body itself!!! To Ray Bright #3

Science is moving in the direction opposite your premise “gay sex is abnormal” Rather it is on the normal spectrum of human sexual orientation– as is handedness, right or left.And is certainly 100 percent biological. Genetics is just one possible biological explanation for sexuality or handedness. I agree, genetics is NOT the sole explanation for people like me being gay. I think it is maybe 50-75 percent at most. Tantalizing research shows that right handed boys are more likely to be gay, the more older brothers they have. This is not true for left handed boys who all are more likely to be gay (regardless of the number of older brothers they have.) Gay men have on average different proportion/ sized fingers and even the direction of the “swirl” on top of one’s head! Most experts see evidence that the Pre-natal environment is the determining factor of sexual orientation. Early trauma is simply not capable of changing the very structure of the hypothalmus- the part of the brain responsible for the determination of sexual orientation, among other physical features on the body itself!!!

]]> By: Bill http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm/comment-page-1#comment-61365 Bill Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:28:23 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm#comment-61365 I agree with the premise of the article here on Arab Muslim culture. Tolerance of Arabs/Muslims in Israel simply encourages them to try to remove the Jewish character of the state. One constantly sees dispicable treasonous behavior. Their culture at this stage of history sadly is incompatible with democracy and hostile to non-Muslims. A huge number of conflicts in this world are located along the greatest political fault line in the world: where the muslim countries / population live adjacent to non-muslim societies/ nations. Transfer is the most compassionate solution for Muslims living in Israel because it will minimize conflict for the world's only jewish state. Arabs and muslims have plenty of (crappy) homelands to choose from. I agree with the premise of the article here on Arab Muslim culture. Tolerance of Arabs/Muslims in Israel simply encourages them to try to remove the Jewish character of the state. One constantly sees dispicable treasonous behavior. Their culture at this stage of history sadly is incompatible with democracy and hostile to non-Muslims. A huge number of conflicts in this world are located along the greatest political fault line in the world: where the muslim countries / population live adjacent to non-muslim societies/ nations. Transfer is the most compassionate solution for Muslims living in Israel because it will minimize conflict for the world’s only jewish state. Arabs and muslims have plenty of (crappy) homelands to choose from.

]]> By: Bill http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm/comment-page-1#comment-61363 Bill Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:21:47 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm#comment-61363 To Judah and Danny (#2 and 9) No one should be having PUBLIC SEX. Homosexual or heterosexual. If people of the opposite sex can display affection, 2 men or 2 women should be able to as well, regardless of anyone's discomfort level. I believe everyone should be held to the same standard. If you said it is inappropriate for hetero couples to kiss on the mouth in public, then of course it is only fair same sex couples should be given similar prohibitions. I am personally irritated when I see couples of any sexual orientation kiss on the mouth in public. I find "ugly" people kissing particularly gross but would never say they should be hidden any more than "attractive" people. LOL Gay marriage does not take rights away from heterosexuals. It harms no one and will greatly reduce problems associated with unsettled lives: Sexually transmitted disease , drug use, etc. Not only do I believe it should be legal... gay men and women should be ENCOURAGED to get married and settle into stable lives. To Judah and Danny (#2 and 9)

No one should be having PUBLIC SEX. Homosexual or heterosexual. If people of the opposite sex can display affection, 2 men or 2 women should be able to as well, regardless of anyone’s discomfort level. I believe everyone should be held to the same standard. If you said it is inappropriate for hetero couples to kiss on the mouth in public, then of course it is only fair same sex couples should be given similar prohibitions.

I am personally irritated when I see couples of any sexual orientation kiss on the mouth in public. I find “ugly” people kissing particularly gross but would never say they should be hidden any more than “attractive” people. LOL

Gay marriage does not take rights away from heterosexuals. It harms no one and will greatly reduce problems associated with unsettled lives: Sexually transmitted disease , drug use, etc. Not only do I believe it should be legal… gay men and women should be ENCOURAGED to get married and settle into stable lives.

]]> By: Bill http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm/comment-page-1#comment-61357 Bill Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:07:34 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm#comment-61357 To Danny (#8): I think slavery and polygomy are morally problematic. Slavery for the injustice, brutality and primitiveness of the practice. And polygamy creates a pool of men who cannot get married because the wealthier men get 2, 3 , 4, or more wives. The poorer men get left with no partner and will on average create havoc, become angry, frustrated, get involved in crime, terror and destablize societies. We see this all too tragically in the middle east/ muslim world. Ive never seen a sexually content suicide bomber!! They wouldnt be looking for their 72 virgins otherwise. Their only hope it seems is to get sex in heaven. To Danny (#8):

I think slavery and polygomy are morally problematic.
Slavery for the injustice, brutality and primitiveness of the practice.

And polygamy creates a pool of men who cannot get married because the wealthier men get 2, 3 , 4, or more wives. The poorer men get left with no partner and will on average create havoc, become angry, frustrated, get involved in crime, terror and destablize societies. We see this all too tragically in the middle east/ muslim world. Ive never seen a sexually content suicide bomber!! They wouldnt be looking for their 72 virgins otherwise. Their only hope it seems is to get sex in heaven.

]]> By: Bill http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm/comment-page-1#comment-61349 Bill Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:00:15 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/permissive-unto-death.htm#comment-61349 to #11: The studies you link to are from the family research council. They are a far-right wing group in the U.S. who are known for being fast, loose and selective at best w/ the facts to suit their agenda. They present poorly designed and non-representative sample studies to justify their belief that gay people deserve no rights. Heterosexuals in Africa have a terrible HIV rate. Is anyone saying they should not get married? Quite the opposite. Marriage and stability should be ENCOURAGED to stem the tide of disease!! The same should be for gay men. My argument is: gays should be EXPECTED to get married rather than live furtive conflicted lives. What I said in my last argument regarding gay marriage still holds true even if the "studies" above are true. Men without the option of getting married whether straight or gay will of course be promiscious, use more drugs and live unstable lives. This is NOT surprising. to #11:
The studies you link to are from the family research council. They are a far-right wing group in the U.S. who are known for being fast, loose and selective at best w/ the facts to suit their agenda. They present poorly designed and non-representative sample studies to justify their belief that gay people deserve no rights. Heterosexuals in Africa have a terrible HIV rate. Is anyone saying they should not get married? Quite the opposite. Marriage and stability should be ENCOURAGED to stem the tide of disease!! The same should be for gay men.
My argument is: gays should be EXPECTED to get married rather than live furtive conflicted lives. What I said in my last argument regarding gay marriage still holds true even if the “studies” above are true. Men without the option of getting married whether straight or gay will of course be promiscious, use more drugs and live unstable lives. This is NOT surprising.

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