Comments on: On collective responsibility and the Holocaust http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:09:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ray Bright http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm/comment-page-1#comment-116331 Ray Bright Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:19:47 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm#comment-116331 Why are you reposting this nonsense? You think that we can save Israel by eating "Parve" marked food? Mark Twain wrote very pointedly about such nonsense: In the Boor War, the Brits lost the first bout, then they tripled their army and their arms and then they won the war. They did not triple the number of chaplains and pastors praying for them. Why are you reposting this nonsense?
You think that we can save Israel by eating “Parve” marked food?

Mark Twain wrote very pointedly about such nonsense:
In the Boor War, the Brits lost the first bout, then they tripled their army and their arms and then they won the war. They did not triple the number of chaplains and pastors praying for them.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm/comment-page-1#comment-111048 Elizabeth Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:05:49 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm#comment-111048 I'm a student at Bruce Jr high and I wanted to ask you a huge favor. my Class has decided to make a memorial in remembrance of all the Jews that died during the holocaust. We decided to raise buttons. I would be forever great full if you (and whoever reads this) to donate. If you need info. or would like to donate please call (314)-401-9728. Thank you I’m a student at Bruce Jr high and I wanted to ask you a huge favor. my Class has decided to make a memorial in remembrance of all the Jews that died during the holocaust. We decided to raise buttons. I would be forever great full if you (and whoever reads this) to donate. If you need info. or would like to donate please call (314)-401-9728. Thank you

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm/comment-page-1#comment-105261 Danny the Admin Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:33:54 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm#comment-105261 I cannot refer you to any single source, but the universal assimilation (=Reformism) is true nonetheless. For example, in the USSR almost all Jews were atheist, same for Germany and Hungary. Only in Romania and small Polish towns there remained significant numbers of religious Jews. I cannot refer you to any single source, but the universal assimilation (=Reformism) is true nonetheless.
For example, in the USSR almost all Jews were atheist, same for Germany and Hungary. Only in Romania and small Polish towns there remained significant numbers of religious Jews.

]]> By: Nobody http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm/comment-page-1#comment-105250 Nobody Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:15:51 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm#comment-105250 "though vast majority of the dead were assimilated." This is not true. Do you have any proof of this? As far as I am aware, this is not a historically accurate statement. “though vast majority of the dead were assimilated.”

This is not true. Do you have any proof of this? As far as I am aware, this is not a historically accurate statement.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm/comment-page-1#comment-105213 Danny the Admin Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:30:00 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm#comment-105213 It's a hard, very hard question. But look, God only killed Egyptian firstborn for oppressing Jews, not every oppressor. It’s a hard, very hard question. But look, God only killed Egyptian firstborn for oppressing Jews, not every oppressor.

]]> By: LV http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm/comment-page-1#comment-105208 LV Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:29:37 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm#comment-105208 "G-d punished them by predetermining their actions; the punishment was carried out by executing the German murderers and leveling their cities." Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea how many Nazis escaped death to live prosperous happy lives? How about Joseph Mengele, Alois Brunner, and Heinrich Müller. Even if many of the murderers were executed, they have generations of children and grandchildren living, a gift which has been denied to their victims. And today, the descendants of the Nazis sell Iran nuclear technology and do business with that country, setting the stage for another murder of Jews. I don't think there was any justice or punishment. The bombing and conquring were nothing more than the effects of a war that they started. The Russians suffered far worse without being responsible for starting the war or massacring millions of Jews. Not only that, but immediately after the war, the Germans were given millions of dollars to re-build their country, through the Marshall Plan. And, when their country was under Soviet blockade, the Germans recieved massive air lifts to keep them alive. Where were those air lifts for the besieged residents of Jerusalem in 1948? The Germans suffered far less than other people in that war or other people in various other large scale wars. Again, I just see no justice in the outcome of that war. “G-d punished them by predetermining their actions; the punishment was carried out by executing the German murderers and leveling their cities.”

Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea how many Nazis escaped death to live prosperous happy lives? How about Joseph Mengele, Alois Brunner, and Heinrich Müller.

Even if many of the murderers were executed, they have generations of children and grandchildren living, a gift which has been denied to their victims.

And today, the descendants of the Nazis sell Iran nuclear technology and do business with that country, setting the stage for another murder of Jews.

I don’t think there was any justice or punishment. The bombing and conquring were nothing more than the effects of a war that they started. The Russians suffered far worse without being responsible for starting the war or massacring millions of Jews. Not only that, but immediately after the war, the Germans were given millions of dollars to re-build their country, through the Marshall Plan. And, when their country was under Soviet blockade, the Germans recieved massive air lifts to keep them alive. Where were those air lifts for the besieged residents of Jerusalem in 1948? The Germans suffered far less than other people in that war or other people in various other large scale wars. Again, I just see no justice in the outcome of that war.

]]> By: Zvi Menachem http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm/comment-page-1#comment-105199 Zvi Menachem Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:41:55 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-collective-responsibility-and-holocaust.htm#comment-105199 Is the God of the Israelites a loving, caring God, or a wrathful, vindictive God? Is God a compassionate entity or one who would snuff out the lives of millions of innocent Jews because of ritualistic or dietary indiscretions? Was the fate of Eastern Jewry to be horribly gassed and then a trip to the ovens because they didn’t lay Tvellin, or turned on the stove on Shabat? Nor can I believe that the Germans and the Nazis were instruments of God. That would relieve them of responsibility; after all, “God made them do it.” Personally, I don’t buy that view of God. Petitionary prayers are not really petitions to an all-knowing, all-seeing, and all-controlling God. They are petitions to the better side of our being with the belief that we, as individuals, can barter and hope with ourselves; that living according to the religious precepts of what is right, our fondest hope is that we will fare well. Is the God of the Israelites a loving, caring God, or a wrathful, vindictive God? Is God a compassionate entity or one who would snuff out the lives of millions of innocent Jews because of ritualistic or dietary indiscretions? Was the fate of Eastern Jewry to be horribly gassed and then a trip to the ovens because they didn’t lay Tvellin, or turned on the stove on Shabat?

Nor can I believe that the Germans and the Nazis were instruments of God. That would relieve them of responsibility; after all, “God made them do it.” Personally, I don’t buy that view of God.

Petitionary prayers are not really petitions to an all-knowing, all-seeing, and all-controlling God. They are petitions to the better side of our being with the belief that we, as individuals, can barter and hope with ourselves; that living according to the religious precepts of what is right, our fondest hope is that we will fare well.

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