Our real problem is Jews, not Arabs. Palestinian guerrillas are nuisance; they cannot defeat the Jewish state. Jews can. Israel originally attracted only Jews with pioneer mentality who overcame barriers to enter the land. Even the post-WWII aliyah was zealous: Jews who preferred safety, stayed in Europe. Brainwashing in Israeli schools and huge economically motivated Russian aliyah of 1980-90s turned Israel into a ghetto. Most Jews are still passively normal: they want a state without Arabs, favor overwhelming reprisals, detest Arabs, and respect religiosity. That’s not enough: passively normal Jews cannot counter the active Left. Leftists come to power on the heels of massive propaganda and Arab votes, not supported by Jewish majority, but only the result matters: leftists reign. Actively normal right wing Jews cannot hope to change the balance in Israel, short of a major civil war – not an unwelcome prospect. For now, Jewish normalcy is doomed in Tel Aviv and the beachside Israel. Normal Jews can build a normal Jewish state only in leftist-free areas – the settlements.
Instead of trying to change Israeli politics, normal Jews should develop autonomy of settlements with the goal of eventually expanding the autonomy into the state of Judea – at Arab expense.
My knowledge of economy is not par with my knowledge of military matters, but isn't developing such autonomy in the poorer parts of Israel seemingly impossible?
There are no natural resources in this land. Agriculture can only take you so far.
How can settlements oppose the leftist rule, and more importantly - how can an economically weak country resist the outside enemy?
I can understand civil war to take control over the entire state, but not splitting it into small factions - The 12 tribes got wiped off. (10 at first, and so forth).
Maybe Danny can come up with something? I'm eager for answers…
Hopefully the leftist goyishe Jews will contnue becoming yordim, and their influence will wane.
The problem is that the best Jews perished in the Holocaust/.
During the expulsion in 1492, the best Jews left and reestalished themselves. MANY stayed and became good catholics, some becoming the elite of Spain. A couple stayed on as marranos, but most of those assimmilated after a few generations.
Shoah was the reverse. The most hard core commited Jews stayeed in the pale where the rabbaim and yeshivas were. Hard core socialists-usually athieistic went east to the russian cities and many married out. Some went to Israel -the most zionistic, but many replaced Judaism with the new religion of zionism and they and their descendants became Hebrew speaking goyim. There were some that were religious or followers of Jabotinsky and din't de-Judaize themselves, but they were in the minority. Those who were the least committed to anything-ala the spanish quislings that became catholics- went to America.
Is it any wonder that the history of American Jewry will be: They came, they succeeded , they intermarried, they disappeared. And they ignored the Holocaust.
YES THE PROBLEM IS JEWS AND THE WORST ONES LIVED AND THE BEST DIED.
Are you imagining the Jews in breading competition with the Arabs? Otherwise how are they going to establish a Jewish state in Judea?
I don’t see a possibility of Jews surviving in their tiny settlements in Judea without Israeli support. Such support is not free.
Yes. Now, you opened my eyes. The "brainwashing and huge economically motivated Russian aliyah of 1980-90s" is to blame for all of the modern Israel problems. May be we should just transfer them all back to Russia?!
Israel then will be a paradise once again, won’t it?!
all the problems are cause thanx to religion fundamentalists, nationalists .
in our case it's Islamic fundamentalists, nationalists .
Dude.. you're writing hard stuff there!
I'm a leftist my self and I can't see Israel without any arabs! I have lots of arab Israeli and Palestinian friends and they love the land exactlly like I do..
I don't define myself as a Jew, but I do respect other religions..
Man, not all Israelies are mean..
Some of us (like me) want peace.
You should read about Seeds Of Peace organization I took a part in it's activities..
I would love to discuss things, for peace.
Honorlly,
Danna, proud Israeli.
if you want to discuss things, here's my e-mail:
tinydanna@gmail.com
That's ridiculous.
The majority of the original settlers were left wing socialists, as you know very well. What exactly is it that you mean by "leftists?" It seems to me you're just creating a straw man to bash for (what you perceive to be)Israel's problems.
Bingo! The absolute answer: build from the settlements. After all, that is where the Judaism is.
Consider: we in America started as a minority of colonies being treated shabbily by those who felt they had a permanent right to control that which they could not support, only tax. In an identical manner, Jews who want to be Jewish should reture to those colonies where true Judaism florishes. From there, Israel can build outward and inward. As Danny said earlier, it is not numbers but commitment that determines fate.
I agree with you, but saying "Jews is a problem" is abit racist, but the idea about getting far from those arabs is really right thing to do, I am a jew myself, and its annoying me those endlessly wars with the arabs, I prefent just moving to other country already
The problem in the idea is that the colonies can't fend off the government - and even less the hordes of muslims that surround them.
There is not enough of a power base there to stand without the rest of the country.
United Israel could stand. Divided, well, you see for yourself.
To Erick: Hong Kong has no natural resources, either. Backward Saudi Arabia is rich in resources.
Judea will enjoy Jewish support worldwide and the last-resort Israeli protection. In smaller encounters, light weapons will do. Arabs are not determined fighters. And anyway, Judea is the only option for a Jewish state free of Arabs and leftists.
To Anonymous: The birth rate among religious Jews is higher than among Arabs.
To Michael: Education Ministry's brainwashing, Slavs, and economically motivated Russian aliyah are not the only problems, but they are the problems, nevertheless.
To Danna: Jews of Hebron, Tzfat, Tiberias, and Jerusalem had so many Arab friends that they refused Haganah protection during the Arab riots in 1920-30s; many were killed. Your good Arab friends would gladly kill you when they have a chance. They will kill specifically because, as you say, they also consider this land theirs - but, unlike you, are ready to fight for it.
To Aharon: Modern leftists are different from the ;eft kibbutznicks of the past. Those were fighters and nationalists, not the defeatist peacenicks we see now.
To Daniel: Lacking ideological motivation to stay in Israel, your choice to emigrate is logical. Israel full of Arabs and governed by leftist elite is not a Jewish state.
Can you tell me, how many (in % of all dead soldiers) "economically motivated Russian"s sacrificed their lives in Lebanon, Gaza and Ramallah while your cabarim friends spent time in New-York and Miami? You are indeed crazy guy. How would look Israeli HiTech without this "economically motivated Russian alia"?
I really wanna thank you for your answer, danny.
Maybe there is hope after all.
I'm not normally a very sensitive person, but reading content on your site is like reading KKK propaganda from the American past. How can you advocate a state "WITHOUT" Arabs, when you established your state in an Arab country? I have supported Israel's right to exist my whole life, but if the thinking on this blog becomes main stream ideology of Israels leaders, you pretty much lost my support. Your only hope as a Country to survive is to learn to co exist with your Arab neighbors, and to think otherwise is suicide on your part. You will lose the support of most everyone who does support you.
One correction: We established Jewish state in the ultimate Jewish country temporary settled by Arabs. Note that Arabs even did not settle the plains, but only came down from the hills in late 19th century. The current state of Israel, except Galilee, was created on mostly empty land (marshes, desert).
Also, I don't see many Americans advocating giving your country back to Red Indians.
And a small issue of terminology: Arabs are our enemies, not neighbors. They kill us, not wish as good.
What Danny said