Islam is a very practical religion, very unburdensome. It is a nice communal religion much easier than Judaism. Judaism aims at creating a morally pure society. The goal of Islam is simply a decent society, a degree of civilization for barbarous Arabs. Islam does not regulate daily lives of its adherents beyond simple religious demands and basic ethical norms.
Islam exercises less control over the daily lives than Rabbinical Judaism and classic Pauline Christianity. Every Muslim cleric, theoretically, can issue fatwas, but so can any rabbi. Jewish Conservative Movement institutionalized that chaotic approach: every half-educated rabbi (including lesbian "rabbis") in a backwater synagogue can issue halacha, legal opinion, obligatory for his flock. On other hand, extreme centralization of religious authority in Catholicism led to scores of wars much bloodier than jihad. Fatwas of small-time clerics hold very little value in Islam. They have to come from recognized religious authorities, ideally from a (non-existent) caliph. Radicals interpret Islam to their ends, but Christian radicals similarly interpret their religion. Muslims are monotheists, do not worship images, follow reasonable laws, and substantially observe the Noahide laws for Gentiles. Islam is democratic and, beyond the core values – liberal.
Islam has a wonderful instrument of venting mob’s feelings: communal prayer-like lectures. Often politicized, they supercharge the masses and perhaps recruit a few terrorists most of whom would volunteer, anyway. Zeal of the masses escalates to unsustainable levels and soon evaporates. Muslim communal prayers are more like Western boxing matches than modern Christian preaching. Jews, with their formalized prayers, lack the psychological vent of fiery religious propaganda. Communal prayers convey powerful symbolism of their own: photos of million-strong crowds praying in Mecca are popular computer screensavers among Muslims.
Religions cannot afford tolerance but, as any corporations, erect monopolistic barriers against competitors. Zeal and a degree of violence are indispensable to religions. Polytheist religions competed like small firms – attracting others to their temples, but not attempting to put other temples out of business by legislative pressure. Monotheist Islam and relatively monotheist Christianity act as global corporations, influencing legislation to banish competitors. Islamist zeal is a natural behavior of monopolist religion. Christianity answered the encroachment of Islam into Europe with Crusades. Monopolists recourse to as much violence as they can within a given legal framework; stakes are very high, and global religions cannot be picky about means.
Just like with corporations, successful restructuring of mature religions is uncommon. Christianity reformed itself through Protestantism and survived as active religion for another four centuries. Muslims lack relative cultural homogeneity of Western Christians, and reformation of Islam is unlikely to succeed. Moderate Islam will remove the already low cultural barriers and allow assimilation of Muslims into the pop-culture. Zealous Islam is the only Islam which can survive as something other than indigenous tint on American culture in the Middle East.
Islam-baiters love to cry wolf about the alleged sign of female oppression, such as veil. In the 24th sura, women are commanded not to display their beauty – a reasonable suggestion among Bedu people, a matter of safety as well as modesty. The sura enjoins men similarly. In the 33rd sura, women are commanded to wear a cloak in order to be recognized as related to Mohammed – also a measure of safety. The purported reference to veil in the same sura is just the opposite of the Islamic tradition: ibn Malik tells Mohammed's guests to talk to his wives from behind a curtain (hijab), among other suggestions on how to avoid bothering him. It is men rather than women who need the curtain. In that case, curtain acts like a wall, protecting privacy of women in house, so that the men don't enter their space unannounced. There is no veil in Koran. It is Christianity that expressly prescribes veil in 1Cor11:6.
Islam prohibits usury, but Mohammed left the term undefined. Koran 2:282 deals at length with loans. 3:130 prohibits usury which doubles and compounds the original amount. 2:275 equals trade with usury, but allows trade. It seems that Koran bans only excessive interest rather than business loans. Judaism, more practically, prohibits interest charged to neighbors only. Classical Christianity prohibited interest altogether.
No religion differentiates between political and religious life. Islam is no exception. Jewish society was a theocracy for most of the recorded history. Vatican sought political dominance, and Protestantism shaped legal systems of its host countries. Think of how religious beliefs shape American life, from Christmas holidays to prohibition of polygamy to opposition to Islamic enemy. Iraq under Saddam was only a bit more religious than America. Egypt, Palestine, Dubai, Bahrain are hardly religious at all. Saudis like to legitimize themselves with religious nonsense, but other Muslims are skeptical about the Saudi Islamic credentials.
Rome was cynical about religion. Medieval Europeans were superstitious atheists rather than fervent Christians - look at the French cathedrals with persistent pagan themes. Renaissance swept dogmas away. Then came the religious resurgence. Something that the human psychological needs as deeply as religion cannot go away. Look at the number of books on Christianity and Buddhism at the US bookstores. Look at the many Americans’ experimentation with Hinduism and various types of Buddhism.
Christian sentiment is behind the anti-Muslim clash-of-civilizations hysteria. How are Iraq and Afghanistan different from the crusades? Both are the Christian world’s reaction to Muslim encroachment. Politically correct societies substitute "culture" for "religion" and "Islamism" for "Islam." Or witness public debates over gay marriage and abortion – a purely religious issue. Children are as much afraid of entering dark rooms in the 21st century as three thousand years ago. Religion, call it culture, civilization, psychology, or ideology is the most powerful drive of human beings, transforming a powerless individual into an interconnected part of transcendent all-powerful system, whether angelic or equally superstitious nationalist.
It's a delusion that suicide bombers feed on earthly failures and religious extremism. They are common nationalists, ready to die for their cause. Secular Russians were conducting suicide missions en masse during the WWII.
There is no Judeo-Christianity. Rabbis permit Jews to attend mosques, but never – churches. Islam is very close to Judaism in it affirming a single God and not worshiping images. And whatever the atheists say, no piece of Arab literature comes close to the language of Koran.
What about the vitriolic, repetitive anti-Semitism of the Quran, Hadith and Sharia? To be a believing Muslim is to revile Jews. The literary canon of Islam is crystal clear on this point. Massacre of Jewish populations was an important part of the genesis of Islam. Muhammad had Jewish slave-wives whose families he and his followers slaughtered. Did Jesus kill and expel the Jews of Judea, rape their wives, and abduct their children to raise them Christian? The founder of Islam was for all practical purposes a vampire to the Jews, both physically and theologically.
The historical treatment of Jews in Christendom vs. the Islamic world is not the point. The literary foundations of the religions is different, and Islam is much more fertile ground for Jew-hatred. You must know there is an actual call for genocide against the Jews in the Bukhari Hadith (considered the most authentic collection). Where in the Gospels or NT does that exist? There is a major problem for the Jews with Islam, such that the paranoid fear of Jewish plots among Muslims is actually justified. I don't see how Jews can be safe with Islam strong. Not attacking the foundations of Islam is a sin, as much as is inaction while someone plans your death.
Obadiah,
1.I find several, surprising factual errors in your article:
My reading indicate that the number of people killed by the Muhammadans is in hundreds of millions, and is comparable to the number of people killed by Christians.
In India alone this number is estimated to over 80 Million!
The entire Hindu population of Afghanistan was eradicated. Bahmani sultans in India made it a law to kill 100,000 Hindus every year.
In 1399 Teimur killed 100,000 Hindus in just a single day.
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The Muslim genocide was not limited to Hindus. After Turkish conquest of Hungary they decimated population there, took some 3 million slaves, and castrated the men before saling them in the markets of North Africa.
Add to that the number of women raped with the Muslim religious sanction. This was and still is one of their favorite ways of spreading the "True Religion". Raped Hindu women, were rejected by Hindus, and went back to the Muhammadans to become their 4th wives, or their sex-slaves (Koran refers to them as "that which your right hand possesses").
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2. The Arab countries were much more civilized before Muhammad then after his bloody cult: Jews lived peacefully among Arabs. Women participated in the City governments of Medina and Mecca.
3. About Islam and women: Only in Islamic countries women get punished for being raped! In Pakistan women who complain routinely get raped by the police.
Also, in Pakistan 80% of women have been severely beaten by their husbands.
In Sweden, the 3% Muslim minority is responsible for 85% of rapes. Similar statistics apply to Denmark and Norway.
Belgian Muslim minority of 5% is responsible for 90% of all rapes. The European Muslims are particularly fond of raping minors.
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4. Islam is inherently anti-Semitic. Muhammadans can only tolerate Jews as Dhimmis.
Israel can perfectly co-exist with Arabs, but not really with Muslms. Muslims will always be against a Jewish state.
Muslims everywhere hate Jews. From Somalia to Bangladesh. In Pakistan you will be killed if you admit to being Jewish. Hirsi Ayaan Ali, writes in her book that when she was growing up in Somalia, she was praying every day asking God to destroy all Jews. At that point, she has never met a single Jew.
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In conclusion: Islam is a cancer of humanity, more dangerous than Nazism.
Answer to Erik regarding Islam:
According to Islam, the world is divided into two parts: Dar al-Islam, and Dar al-Harb.
The world of submission,and the world of war.
Those of us who have not yet submitted to Islam (meaning we are not yet Muslims or Jjyza tax paying Dhimmis) we are living in the world of war, and against us every action is lawful as long as it's purpose is to bring this part of the world into the Dar al-Islam.
It is lawful to kill us, to take our possessions, it is also highly recommended to rape the infidel women, as Muhammad himself did on countless occasions. In Koran, the sex (and other)slaves are referred to as "that which your right hand possesses". And Muslims have every right to do whatever they please with these slaves.
I bring some witnesses for you, please look at through the links below.
Besides I recommend some literature:
1. Quran (Koran) You can download it for free or buy for a few bucks in any book store.
2. Hadiths for references.
3. "Why I am not a Muslim” by Ibn Warraq
4. "The Truth about Muhammad", by Robert Spencer
5. "The Force of Reason" and Oriana Fallaci
Here are some excellent resource on the web. Please inform yourself and help others to be informed.
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Joseph is right that our government is deceiving the public by pretending that "Islam is a peaceful religion and that the terrorist are mis-representing Islam" the reality is that the terrorists are interpreting Islam correctly, and our governments are idiotically trying to ignore this, just like they did with Nazism 70 years ago.
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http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx?g=405&i=4508
http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html#theoth
http://derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/
http://www.historyofjihad.org/
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/
To Quijybo: "To be a believing Muslim is to revile Jews."
To be a Jew is to be contempt of Muslims. Muhammad has a single Jewish wife. Killing the Jewish tribe was a normal military affair by the standard of the age, not a religious war. They had a dispute over the mutual assistance treaty.
Speaking of the literary foundations, consider the Gospel of John's attitude to Jews, even more John's Epistle. To say nothing of the church fathers.
Jewish Bible speaks at length about genocide of Ishmaelites, such as in Obadiah's prophecy.
I care very little about Islamic theory. What matters, historically we have relatively few problems with Muslims.
Ray: What are the factual errors, please?
Judaism prescribes punishment for female victim of rape if she did not protest.
What's so bad about dhimmitude? Zimma enjoyed complete autonomy. The military provisions such as stationing Islamic horses in synagogues was theoretical, as there was no jihad at the time. Reduced testimony rights and other legal inconveniences were hardly that important in practice.
Danny,
Yes, Dhimmitude was AT TIMES tolerable, and most of the time was better than the situation in Christian Europe. Having said this, there were just as many times where Jews were massacred
and throughout Jews were considered lower than pigs. They were spat upon by the Muslim children, stones were thrown at them, and i the Jews dared to defend themselves, they were killed.
Once in a while there would be a muslim ruler that was relatively tolerant. He would often be followed by a fanatic who would murder Jews. At times Jews rose to high positions in Muslim governments, this too, was often followed by anti-Jewish massacres.
This subject is too long for me to go into great detail.
If you are interested I can offer historical links for educating yourself.
Myself, I can't recall more than a few massacres of Jews in the Muslim world before nationalism appeared in the 19th century. Nothing like the institutional hatred to Jews which existed in Europe.
It makes little difference whether Islam ever existed as such in the past, because it bears no resemblance to Islam to-day, which is imperialist, totalitarian and hate filled wherever it is found.
Boker tov Danny, in the prophecy of Ovadiah, Edom/Esav is xtianity, is it not? That last verse has already happened with a response. Shavua tov.
Alain,
Islam has ALWAYS been imperialist, totalitarian and hate filled.
ALWAYS!! The only time that Islam was partially OK, was when the religion was not emphasized by some of the Caliphs in the Baghdad's "Golden Age" era.
Otherwise Islam is just another word for the Arab Imperialism.
From 7th Century till this day nothing has changed.
The conquest half of the world from India to Spain was extremely violent, cruel.
The Islamic Turkish conquest were equally cruel. Islam it's steam, but not its venom, in the previous few centuries, but now due to oil money, it is back on war path.
Danny,
There have several massacres of Jews through out Islamic history, you are however correct that Christians have murdered much more Jews that Muslims.
If Muslims were not oppressing Jews, Jews would have re-created their national home in Israel long time ago.
Muslims only tolerate Jews when Jews were completely humiliated. As soon as Jews became empowered they were an insult to Muslims.
It was not so much nationalism that created recent hatred, it was the fact that in 19th Century, Jews in the Muslim countries became Westernized and educated, and in the process transformed themselves from the LOWEST class (below dogs), to a higher status. Under the impact of Western influences in the Muslim world, Jes became more educated, and more wealthy than Muslims and Muslims started hating them (instead of just despising).
Nothing could be more insulting to the Muslim ego, than the people they were despising as "grand-children of dogs and pigs", became more powerful than Muslims themselves.
To Shiloh: Prophet Obadiah condemns Esau specifically because he behaved in non-brotherly manner when Jews were in trouble. I don't see how that relates to Christianity.
Oh, ok, have a good week.
Samson Blinded on why Jews have no problem with Islam.
http://kashmiri-nomad.blogspot.com/2007/12/islam-and-west-accelerated-links-for-2.html
If yu search, you will easily find violence and prescriptions of violence against enemies and social transgressors in the Bible, just as you do in the Koran. The essential difference is that the interpretation of the Bible has evolved among Jews (and Christians) into a practice where, today, there are no wars between Christian nations based upon religious differences, and within Jewish and Christian communities, violent and oppressive acts are not religiously condoned, and are in fact punished. Compare with the day to day practice of Islam. Islam has simply not evolved, and the religious scholars of Islam continue to hold the Koran as the immutable word of God, precluding any potential for change. The intolerance of Islam is seemingly institutionalized, for our lifetimes, anyway.
Maine:
I couldn't say it better myself, but, and correct me if I misunderstood your words: Wouldn't you agree that a religion should preach to a certain degree of intolerance against hostile religions?
Currently, for example, despite ritual differences, many sects in Judaism and Christianity can get along fine, but they cannot tolerate hostile Islam.
Perhaps acts of violence against peaceful populations are not condones - but what about 'holding the line' and defending your religion from transgressors?
Mr. Obadiah, i always read your articles and am sometimes impressed by your brilliant insights, but this one seems to hit my weak spot. as a christian(sort of) i have to say that i never thought that my religion was so looked down by the jewish community, as revealed in your ideas as well as the comments below. It seems that christianity will never find it's place of respect among the other religions, thanks to the past errors of it's adept. Sins past will always haunt us
Dear Daniel, our relations with Christians were almost perfect until the fifth century. Afterwards, Christianity reinvented its own doctrine and turned on Jews. Frankly, many Jews, probably most, cannot forget that history. The recent events from the Holocaust to the pattern of UN voting against Israel show that the Christian attitude to Jews remains very much the same rather than becoming a matter of history. Sure, there are a lot of good people among Christians, but the trend seems to be toward hostility to Jews.
A nice article.. i agree to lots of the positive points about Islam… and i differentiate between Islam and muslims… not everyone of us follows he religion 100%. I think if you go deaper into the Shia/Sunna differences you will find the Shia much of a logical set of ideas.. which i think the west and even jews can deal with!
Regards
what you're saying is completly wrong .
First the arab nation before Islam was not as civilized as the muslim culture in its golden era in Bagdad, Bagdad this great city falling down in front of our eyes because of the american greed for oil. Mohammad our beloved prophet had always been tolerant towards other nation for exemple when teh christians entered the holly land in the 11st century they killed thousands of people but when saladin entered he just took a small sum of money for evrey christian and let them live a normal life. Islam never encouraged killing innocent for exemple in the battle of Bader muslims didnt kill the hostages but insted they treated them properly and gave them their freedom if they teache 10 musilims how to read and write. Muhammad married a jewish wife and defended her against anyone who tried to moque her. just for you to know this wife was the daughter of Muammda biggest enemy.
Good article. Good comments. As usual, I've learned a few things and had some of questions cleared up. But I think the cartoon was perhaps better paired with some other article, rather than this one which seems positive toward a reasonable Islam (if we could get it). If one looks at the cartoon before reading the article, he assumes the article is going to be very negative.
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ayman — I think Obadiah was saying that Islam did bring civilization to the previously barbarous Arabs. I think Mohammed would agree that that was his primary mission from God. To spread Islam throughout the world was a secondary goal, from a practical standpoint. There are many calls to be merciful and just with enemies in the Koran and Muslim history, but these are not the lessons the fanatics study. It should be possible to be a zealous Muslim (or Jew or Christian), and attempt to convert people, attempt to control civil governments, and even conduct wars, and still strongly condemn and punish terrorist attacks on civilians as being contrary to the Koran.
Josehp, what you're saying is right the terrorist do not represent the islamic point of view
aymen — They represent the islamic point of view of their teachers. These are who must be condemned.
Muslims don't worship images, but they still worship a man.
Besides, this man killed many jews.
And relatively to Christians?
Dear Danny,
I know what you mean, but at least christians who kill cannot claim that they follow the teachings of their master.
Everybody can claim to be religious, but not everybody follows the teachings or even understands them.
When it comes to the end, we are no more, no less than ourselves, as Descartes wrote: "All what I know is that I am". Perhaps if all humans would admit that, we would live in a much better world.
Oh, they DID claim to follow his teachings
Truly, God's sense of humor is beyond the understanding of man. Jesus' disciples carried swords. Mohammed spoke of mercy but did not hesitate to kill his enemies. Bodhidharma developed kung fu. My personal favorite Zen saying is "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him". Of all the "great" religions, there is more "smiting" in the scriptures of Judaism than any other, and yet, as a people, the Jews are the most pacifistic. Very strange world we have.
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no human perfec, momammed not perfec, isa as jesus not perfec or solomon as jews or moses, also not perfec. god only one, if u believed..
PEACE LOVE EMPATHY……….
FREEDOM FOR ALL
GOD BLESS U ALL…..
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"Peace, love, empathy" Great point. Just ask our Palestinian cousins to observe them, first. We would join the love show afterwards.
Matt 5:44(Jesus the Christ)" But now I tell you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may become the sons of you Father in Heaven…."
Matt 7:21(Jesus the Christ)" Not everyone who calls me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do what my Father in Heaven wants them to do."
1 John 2:9(the apostel John) " Whoever says that he is in the light, yet he hates his brother, is in the darkness to this very hour. 10"Who ever loves his brother lives in the light, and so there is nothing in him that will cause someone else to sin. 11:But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness; he walks in it and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has made him blind."
Someone who calls himself a christian and hates others is not a christian.
After Mohamad estabished the first constitution in madina,He called it the consitution of the UMMA (Nation). This UMMA consisted of Muslims, Jews and christians and athiests. Islam was the first democratic state ever. The killing of the Banu Koriza (Jewish tribe) was a result of their betryal of muslims in the trench war. After they aggreed not to help the enemy of Mohamad but instead during the siege they help the invading enemy.
Arabs have no problem with Jews. It is only the zionist that muslim view as colonist of their land. for example, the jews escaped from Europe to north african countries of muslims.
You only have problem with Zionists? I wonder, why were the Muslims murdering Jews in the 19th century in Palestine, Tunisia, Morocco, etc?
And mind you, we consider this land ours. That makes a bit of a problem in our relations with you guys.
As for Mohammad, Jews indeed refused to honor a defense treaty with him - because he called the war upon himself by plundering merchant caravans. And his own followers largely deserted him in that war - why don't you go on killing your fellow Bedouin for that same treason?
dear danny…
im come from the near country, i don't know whats the problem in israel land and in arab land, but im sure, god only one… come on peace,,,,,, for all..
i/m not support to palestinian, arabian or israel people but i don't like war or anty semmit, im only like peace peace love love and… freedom for all people, maybe iranian, saudi, syiria,israel is fuck with the rezim. most people
like freedom for jews, islam , christian, etc..
I live in Israel with Muslims and Jews. You are speaking of historical Islam, not the radical Islam of today with its extra-koranic beliefs. And, the "christianity" you address is also historical catholicism, which even today is by no means christianity. It is pagan to the very root. It is false christianity. Therefore, who would wonder that it killed Jews in the name of a Messiah they don't even follow? If I kill people in your name, the author of this article, did you do it? Of course not! So, did Jesus kill His own brothers? Of course not! True Christians follow the teachings of Yeshua, (Jesus) the Jewish Messiah, and the King of the Jews. Those who killed and kill Jews in His name do not belong to Christianity. Don't side step eternal truth by blaming the deaths of Jews at the hands of false christians on Jesus the true Messiah.
God was merciful and let Hagar the slave woman and her son Ismael live after Abraham cast them out into the desert. They became a great nation, the Arab nations. The Jews were promised the land of Israel by God, and have been hated by the Arabs ever since the State of Israel was established. This is a blood feud going back to two half brothers which will only cease in the end of days when the Messiah comes. Until then, the remnants of the Jewish people will continue to return to Israel, and there is nothing anyone can do about it, as it it God's will that this happens!. The holy Temple WILL be rebuilt on that abomination called the dome of the rock, and we will pray there again in the holy of holies!
Shalom, and have a nice day my Christian and Arab brothers
to Danny the Admin.
Muhammad Jewish wife were taken after he had murder her husband and father.
By today standard it would be considered as rape.
to janet of israel.
I totally agree with you.
God bless you!
To Oren: By today's legal codes - yes. But according to the Torah law he acted within reason, though he probably didn't accord her a month-long mourning period.
to Danny the Admin.
according to the Torah law he had no right to do what he he did to the Jews anyway.
In any case I didn't say that in order to show that he was wrong or right.
He said that because you mention it as a proof that Muhammad was O.K. with the Jews.
He was not and his Jewish wife was raped by him.
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And about the U.N. voting against Israel it is mostly because of the OIC.
For a while after the first world war, and the failure of Islamic countries to conquor Europe, which weakened them, Islam was not a big problem. Now Islamic countries are again rich and prosperous and planning to satisfy their historic greed for other people's lands.
What does a bully use its extra money for? for bullying more people! They are now using all their oil money to conquor and occupy Israel again, especially through propaganda and brainwashing their own people and Westerners. Europe, the U.S, and UN also show their full support of Islamic countries in all different ways. This support is so vast that one wonders if it is the Europe and U.S who are inciting Moslems to hate Israel,and not the other way around! If the Islamic religion or Christianity is good or bad its their own problem (as long as they leave you alone).but when they preach hatre toward Israel and try to destroy Israel, the only right reaction is this: without feeling hatred, one must kill whoever who wants to kill you! just a logical survival technique.No one feels hatred toward a wolf that comes to devour him. One just defends himself through shooting.
To Oren: Even at the most stringent legal interpretation, Mohammed had a very narrow conflict with Jews. Look from another angle. I have many Arab friends, but that doesn't make me a friend of Arabs. The opposite is true about Mohammed.
It wasn't OIC who introduced "Zionism is racism" resolution. And its was the US who passed a UNSC resolution in 1948 condemning Soviet arms deliveries to Israel.
It is good to remember the past in order not to commit the same mistakes but if you remember the past in order to find excuses to hate others then it is wrong.
Remember that our common enemy is the devil and not other human beings. Yes, Satan the fallen angel is our enemy and he is trying to make us kill and hate each others. But Jesus said when they arrested him to one of his disciple who wanted to defend him with a sword: “Put your sword back in its place. All who take the sword will die by the sword.“ Jesus, the son of David, has come to free everyone from the captivity of the evil one. The war between good and evil is in the heart of each human being. But if every human being would follow the word of Jesus: put your sword back in its place, peace would come immediately on earth. And this is what we are all longing for.
One example of Moslem ill-treatment of Jews in medieval times: In 1066, after Shmuel Hanagid died and his son Joseph lost power in Granada, "The Granadans then proceeded to massacre the other Jews… Nearly 4,000 Jews fell victims to the fanatical hatred of the populace."
Margolis & Marx, A History of the Jewish People, p. 321
To Danny the Admin U.S. passed a UNSC resolution in 1948 condemning Soviet arms deliveries to Israel because it thought Israel is going to be communist state.
Since then U.S. helped us a lot.
For example in 73 war U.S. gave us a lot of weapons.
On the other hand since 48 Russia armed the Arabs.
That just show you that politics change.
As for the Muslims they are O.K. with us only as Dhimmis,as long as Israel exist they will fight it.
Take Hamas Covenant :
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it"
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/hamas.htm
And lets not forget that Iran is not Arabic state but only Islamic.
Most of the U.N. election against us are carried out by the Organization of Islamic Conference or the non align movement.
And about "Zionism is racism" if you check the election you will see that it was the Muslim states that voted for it and pushed for it.
If you want to know more then feel free to read:
http://www.radioislam.org/forum/english/isljews.htm
Please read it and opened your eyes.
Yeah, indeed. Truman thought that Israel under anti-communists Weizmann, Ben Gurion would be a communist state.
Russia armed the Arabs in 1947, too. And in 1948.
In 1973, the US weapons came too late, after we've already won the war. We used almost none of the US re-supplies.
Indeed, the pressure on Israel for Suicide Now by American presidents from Carter to Bush shows me that politics does not change.
Christians are no dhimmi in Lebanon, think of it.
"Christians are no dhimmi in Lebanon, think of it."
read the news today? (obviously not.) where in the middle east are christians NOT dhimmi? or jews for that matter? oh, i forget, iranian jews are given some fig leaf of legitimacy, assuming they tow the rabidly anti-israel line (which they do rather well, i must say). and not to mention that ONE afghani jew who also despises the jewish state. you're right, my mistake there.
dear danny the admin..
u are so ….??? hmmm.. come on man!!!! change ure live change ure legacy with PEACE, AND LOVE
god bless u all
O people who lack common sense. Just who massacared Jews in the century. Who was responsible for the holocaust? Were they Muslims or were they Christians?
I thought this article was a joke, but I never found the punch line. This article doesn't show the simplest level of understanding of the differences or essence of the major religions, history or reality for that matter. What is your point? Islam like Christianity are 'false doctrines' hence they are inherently anti-Semitic and have historically been oppressive and violent towards Jews for centuries when Jews posed no threat to them politically nor militarily. Just difference in a matter of degree. Christianity and Islam cannot by it's doctrine show tolerance towards others, since they have replaced behavior with faith. They emphasize on what you believe rather than what you do, leaves hell the only destination for those that don't accept their faith. These concepts of exclusivity do not even exist in Judaism, because Judaism's only form of judgment is on the righteousness of an individual, not it's belief in a Prophet, or man-like G-d.
To Danny the Admin
It was not clear it that who is in charge and some of the Yishuve were communists and that is what created that impression among the Americans.
In 73 the Americans sent us weapons.whether we used it or not it was not their problem.The fact that they sent us weapons show that they are our friends.
The Christians in Lebanon have no power right now and I think Israel did wrong with them.
As long as Islam exist then Muslims will attack Israel because they have religious problem with Israel existence.
think of it.
Dear Danny ,
I dont think you understand islam good enough to talk about it like that , Prohept muhammed gave the Jewish peace in maddina , the jewish have their full rights to work , sell , buy , life with muslims , the only problem was the conspiracy with koraish when they give them the permission to attack mohamed and the muslims community , and please ask one of the isreali people who was leaving at egypt , yemen , syria , morocoo , iran about how the muslims deal with thim , i think u will change your mind , peace on you and kindly remove the carricature you put on your article becuse when you are talking to minds you should respect others mind and mentality
the problem is not that who had killed israelis more or less. or jews.
problem is with that. enemy of the enemy is a friend. so now christians enjoy the faithfull loyalty towards their rivals. according to christians. jews r those who crucified jesus.
lol
Israel, how long you have put up with the enemy in your midst - PLO, Hamas, Etc., and now western Europe and the US are experiencing the same sort of infiltration: Hijrah migration, Shari'a controlled Islamic populations in a state of "hoodna" truce, waiting for the upper hand.
And Israel seeks accommodation with Hamas? An avowed enemy unto death?
Everywhere, we see accommodation to the enemy - and very little exposure of - let's say, the protocols of the elders of Islam.
the powers that be,for the reason of only personal gain have sold us…all of us. this islamifacation of europe this setting up of muslim states in europe…bad mouthing isreal all the time…not much air play on the news of lebonon…power follows money and muslims have the money,god help us all…god bless and good luck to the people of lebonon and isreal, you know that the wont stop,the rest wake up.
To Abdul Mahdi: Sure Jews had most problems with Christians rather than Muslims, but we had plenty of problems with Muslims, too, pogroms, mass murders, forced conversions, etc.
To Paul: Read Torah, it seems to be a very exclusivist book. Buddhism is also false, but not anti-Semitic. So the Jewish problem with Christianity is hardly theological.
To Oren: And now our friends from the US Administration are forcing us to give up Judea and Samaria, lock up ourselves in a 14-mile-wide state - and not even expect peace with all Muslim countries.
To Moataz: Some Jews left Arab countries out of their own volition, but in other countries (such as Syria) the persecutions were very real.
Jesus (Yeshua) taught us to forgive and love the enemies (Matt 5/44), Love comes from LORD GOD but Quran teaches to hate and kill the enemies of Islam who are the Jews and Christians! If Love comes from LORD GOD Hatred comes from whom? I am sure you can guess! Read Psalm 83 it is foretold 3000 years ago and outlined what will happen to all these countries which are Islamic now. Quote from Psalm 83: 3:
They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4: They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5: For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6: The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7: Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8: Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.
9: Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:
10: Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.
11: Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:
12: Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession. Unquote.
Does not Ahmedinjinad says this everytime?
I really pity those good people who live in these countries which will be destroyed by the LORD GOD. There is no way to heaven except through Lord Jesus (Yeshua). Satan wants you to believe otherwise! be wise and make your choice.
I didn't go through whole article and comments, just first comment was enough to learn that this is not a place where "people with brain/knowledge" are engaged in discussion,,,,,,,
Specially Quijybo , Ray Bright , seem to be totally a dwarf and no knowledge at all,,,,
Had you a little then how you could have written:
"Muhammad had Jewish slave-wives whose families he and his followers slaughtered."
where you came to know this….
even I think this is not a case of wrong understanding/knowledge but this is your jealousy towards Islam,,,and you wrote this to defame it….
Had you a little knowledge though wrong but not rigid (like you are) I could have gone at length to tell you… since you don't have at all.. I think it futile to indulge into you dark world…
I as a muslim has deep respects for "Moosa" and "Eesa" we regard them as true messangers of Lord…
Koran says "Only those whom Allah want to show righteous path, goes on it "
Farooq
If Muslims have so much respect for Moosa and Eesa and their Jewish ancestors, why do they continuous defile Joseph's tomb and throw garbage on it. Why did they build a mosque on top of Abrahams tomb and forbid the Jews to visit it below the 7th step? They may be of a great nation from Essau the son of Hagar the slave woman, through God's mercy, but they are not God's chosen nation, they shall always be the Jews, and that is why they will always hate us! Also remember that God will bless all who bless the Jews, and curse all who curse the Jews. Maybe the Arabs would start living a little better if they did a little more blessing and a little less cursing.