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		<title>By: AbuShy</title>
		<link>http://samsonblinded.org/blog/new-jewish-fundamentalism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114484</link>
		<dc:creator>AbuShy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Al,

I am often guilty of trying to say too much. So I try to be brief and that can be worse when all is said and done.

I don&#039;t think we are in total disagreement. Life is not static as you pointed out when you said, &quot;...everyone should strive for a personal connection between you and God&quot; and that Torah is &quot;very personal as well.&quot; For me the Torah is the foundation for which the rest of the Scripture is commenting on and giving greater elucidation and strength to follow and build upon it&#039;s basis.

While Eloheem is eternal and unchanging, He is dynamic and able to and desirous of a relationship with men, &quot;the sheep of his pasture.&quot; May our lives be a living sacrifice, one that He may choose to render into His service, by bringing us into His presence if and when He so chooses via His altar, bringing Him pleasure as we become ultimately a sweet smelling aroma that He chooses to enjoy.

That means we die daily to our sin nature that wants to have us under it&#039;s control and devour us, like Cain was warned (Genesis 4:7 &quot;...sin is crouching at the door and its desire is for you and you must master it.&quot;) This &quot;wolf&quot; is the reason mankind was driven from the garden because sin cannot exist in His presence.

YHVH gave the land not because we were able to keep it, but despite of the fact that we lost it. It, like salvation is by grace, not by works of righteousness, which we would then boast about. I too believe, of course, that Moshe will be there, when we stand before the throne &quot;upon the glassy sea&quot;. But he won&#039;t be there because he perfected himself, and if even he could not be thus perfected, no &quot;perfectionist&quot; exists that will get there by that means either.

That is maybe where we just have to agree to disagree. There was only one perfectionist who fulfilled all the Torah and was the ultimate sacrifice who became sin for us, or you might say, instead of us having to pay for our own. He was the One Moshe predicted would come after him.
He gives all who trust in Him a new nature to work with in relationship with Him and that intimate relationship enables us, unlike the seed of Cain, &quot;to master it.&quot;

I could say more, but like it says, &quot;in the multitude of words there is no lack of sin&quot;, so hopefully this wasn&#039;t too multitudinous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Al,</p>
<p>I am often guilty of trying to say too much. So I try to be brief and that can be worse when all is said and done.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we are in total disagreement. Life is not static as you pointed out when you said, &#8220;&#8230;everyone should strive for a personal connection between you and God&#8221; and that Torah is &#8220;very personal as well.&#8221; For me the Torah is the foundation for which the rest of the Scripture is commenting on and giving greater elucidation and strength to follow and build upon it&#8217;s basis.</p>
<p>While Eloheem is eternal and unchanging, He is dynamic and able to and desirous of a relationship with men, &#8220;the sheep of his pasture.&#8221; May our lives be a living sacrifice, one that He may choose to render into His service, by bringing us into His presence if and when He so chooses via His altar, bringing Him pleasure as we become ultimately a sweet smelling aroma that He chooses to enjoy.</p>
<p>That means we die daily to our sin nature that wants to have us under it&#8217;s control and devour us, like Cain was warned (Genesis 4:7 &#8220;&#8230;sin is crouching at the door and its desire is for you and you must master it.&#8221;) This &#8220;wolf&#8221; is the reason mankind was driven from the garden because sin cannot exist in His presence.</p>
<p>YHVH gave the land not because we were able to keep it, but despite of the fact that we lost it. It, like salvation is by grace, not by works of righteousness, which we would then boast about. I too believe, of course, that Moshe will be there, when we stand before the throne &#8220;upon the glassy sea&#8221;. But he won&#8217;t be there because he perfected himself, and if even he could not be thus perfected, no &#8220;perfectionist&#8221; exists that will get there by that means either.</p>
<p>That is maybe where we just have to agree to disagree. There was only one perfectionist who fulfilled all the Torah and was the ultimate sacrifice who became sin for us, or you might say, instead of us having to pay for our own. He was the One Moshe predicted would come after him.<br />
He gives all who trust in Him a new nature to work with in relationship with Him and that intimate relationship enables us, unlike the seed of Cain, &#8220;to master it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I could say more, but like it says, &#8220;in the multitude of words there is no lack of sin&#8221;, so hopefully this wasn&#8217;t too multitudinous.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AbuShy, I disagree with you 100%. God would not give us something he knows the people couldn&#039;t keep.
The important point you seem to misunderstand is that the main connection everyone should strive for is a personal connection between you and God. You seem to only be focusing on the nation as a whole. The Torah is not just that, but very personal as well.
Yes, the majority of the nation has gone astray, and has always gone astray. That is not to say that there were never any individuals who attained perfections. The perfectionists are always the minority. I believe that by the end of his life, Moshe himself was perfected; he learned from his mistakes. Yes, he knew that the nation as a whole would go astray, but I doubt he thought every individual would, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AbuShy, I disagree with you 100%. God would not give us something he knows the people couldn&#8217;t keep.<br />
The important point you seem to misunderstand is that the main connection everyone should strive for is a personal connection between you and God. You seem to only be focusing on the nation as a whole. The Torah is not just that, but very personal as well.<br />
Yes, the majority of the nation has gone astray, and has always gone astray. That is not to say that there were never any individuals who attained perfections. The perfectionists are always the minority. I believe that by the end of his life, Moshe himself was perfected; he learned from his mistakes. Yes, he knew that the nation as a whole would go astray, but I doubt he thought every individual would, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: AbuShy</title>
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		<dc:creator>AbuShy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go Walter!

Yeah, just read from Genesis to Revelation each year and don&#039;t just go through the motions but let it be the light to our lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Walter!</p>
<p>Yeah, just read from Genesis to Revelation each year and don&#8217;t just go through the motions but let it be the light to our lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny the Admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny the Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, there is a possibility of a haredi king. Recall that their crowd is highly gullible. Once a charismatic rabbi approves a king, the mob will submit to him blindly. So it&#039;s really a matter of a single rabbinical decision rather than long-term halachic development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, there is a possibility of a haredi king. Recall that their crowd is highly gullible. Once a charismatic rabbi approves a king, the mob will submit to him blindly. So it&#8217;s really a matter of a single rabbinical decision rather than long-term halachic development.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny the Admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny the Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rambam seems to be torn between rabbinic law, Torah, and rational thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rambam seems to be torn between rabbinic law, Torah, and rational thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny the Admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny the Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jewish Reformation has been hijacked by atheists, regrettably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jewish Reformation has been hijacked by atheists, regrettably.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 02:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can it be that tough? Catholicism was getting a bit oppressive, and stuck in a rut, so they did the reformation. Maybe the Jews can do something like that too? Heck, I been keeping torah for 35 years fom a cold start as a fringe anglican. What&#039;s the big deal? According to Moses, a child should be able to figure it out by hearing it read once every seven years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can it be that tough? Catholicism was getting a bit oppressive, and stuck in a rut, so they did the reformation. Maybe the Jews can do something like that too? Heck, I been keeping torah for 35 years fom a cold start as a fringe anglican. What&#8217;s the big deal? According to Moses, a child should be able to figure it out by hearing it read once every seven years.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on the edge of my chair to see how this Torah thing goes. It&#039;s taking off like a rocket among us gentiles. Those of us who have gotten into it think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And ain&#039;t no Rabbi gonna hold us down, We want Torah, and we want it Now! Maybe Malachi chap 1 is the cause, &quot;My name will be great among the goiim!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on the edge of my chair to see how this Torah thing goes. It&#8217;s taking off like a rocket among us gentiles. Those of us who have gotten into it think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And ain&#8217;t no Rabbi gonna hold us down, We want Torah, and we want it Now! Maybe Malachi chap 1 is the cause, &#8220;My name will be great among the goiim!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AbuShy</title>
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		<dc:creator>AbuShy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Al,

&quot;...a written Torah becomes a witness to Jewish faithfulness to God.&quot;

I have to disagree with you here. It becomes a witness to the fact that no one has the capacity to truly be faithful to the Torah and keep it. Adam gave us a nature that makes that impossible. 

Moshe was also aware of this and therefore told them that it would be a witness AGAINST them. Not to Jewish (or anyone else, for that matter; and if not the Jew, how much less so for anyone else to have real) faithfulness in keeping the Torah.

Moshe said proof of this inability to keep the Torah, evidence that it was humanly impossible, was seen in their own rebellion and stiff necked response not only to Moshe while he was with them but even more so, the same rebellion was directed at Eloheem directly. He prophesied that after his death this rebellion would escalate and would expose their utter corruption &quot;and evil will befall you in the latter days, because you will do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger through the work of your hands.&quot; 

History has verified this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Al,</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;a written Torah becomes a witness to Jewish faithfulness to God.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to disagree with you here. It becomes a witness to the fact that no one has the capacity to truly be faithful to the Torah and keep it. Adam gave us a nature that makes that impossible. </p>
<p>Moshe was also aware of this and therefore told them that it would be a witness AGAINST them. Not to Jewish (or anyone else, for that matter; and if not the Jew, how much less so for anyone else to have real) faithfulness in keeping the Torah.</p>
<p>Moshe said proof of this inability to keep the Torah, evidence that it was humanly impossible, was seen in their own rebellion and stiff necked response not only to Moshe while he was with them but even more so, the same rebellion was directed at Eloheem directly. He prophesied that after his death this rebellion would escalate and would expose their utter corruption &#8220;and evil will befall you in the latter days, because you will do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger through the work of your hands.&#8221; </p>
<p>History has verified this.</p>
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		<title>By: No name</title>
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		<dc:creator>No name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree 100%.   But you see the inflexible haredi approach today does not even consider such issues.  They do not speak of a king or a Torah governance of a &quot;treife&quot; state.   They have redefined Judaism to the point that they think nationalism of any kind is actually treife.   These are sure signs that the straw-man king you describe in this post will never come to fruition.  There will never be a king annointed with a black hat/streimel and a long black coat and who wants to put all state money toward unlimited #&#039;s of adult yeshivot.  It&#039;s an oxymoron.   These notions of haredi Judaism do not fit with nationalism and by definition they will not be the ones to set up a national Torah infrastructure.   Only a system more in line with the rational trend in Rambam and moreh nevuchim will enable such issues (ie a Jewish king, Torah society, etc) to be brought to the forefront and implemented.  It will be Orthodox Jews who push the initiative of Torah nationalism, but not haredi Jews.   The question is when will their ranks become large enough to get any such ideas off the ground.

&quot;halacha at his time was very different from halacha in ours. It was not as petty as today. In Rambam’s time, even the rabbinical law was still within reason. &quot;

I agree 100% and there is no reason to scrap entirely the rabbinic genre just because right now it is functioning at a non-optimal level while at other times it was better.  We should be striving to resurrect the older more sane ways or to optimize within the genre, which covers at least a 2000 year period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree 100%.   But you see the inflexible haredi approach today does not even consider such issues.  They do not speak of a king or a Torah governance of a &#8220;treife&#8221; state.   They have redefined Judaism to the point that they think nationalism of any kind is actually treife.   These are sure signs that the straw-man king you describe in this post will never come to fruition.  There will never be a king annointed with a black hat/streimel and a long black coat and who wants to put all state money toward unlimited #&#8217;s of adult yeshivot.  It&#8217;s an oxymoron.   These notions of haredi Judaism do not fit with nationalism and by definition they will not be the ones to set up a national Torah infrastructure.   Only a system more in line with the rational trend in Rambam and moreh nevuchim will enable such issues (ie a Jewish king, Torah society, etc) to be brought to the forefront and implemented.  It will be Orthodox Jews who push the initiative of Torah nationalism, but not haredi Jews.   The question is when will their ranks become large enough to get any such ideas off the ground.</p>
<p>&#8220;halacha at his time was very different from halacha in ours. It was not as petty as today. In Rambam’s time, even the rabbinical law was still within reason. &#8221;</p>
<p>I agree 100% and there is no reason to scrap entirely the rabbinic genre just because right now it is functioning at a non-optimal level while at other times it was better.  We should be striving to resurrect the older more sane ways or to optimize within the genre, which covers at least a 2000 year period.</p>
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