Comments on: Messiah rings many times http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:09:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: NEMO http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm/comment-page-1#comment-71640 NEMO Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:27:14 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm#comment-71640 Obadia, contradictions on contradictions, do you really understand what 're you talking about? Machiavelli, Jewish values, and above all TORAH LAW FOR REPUBLIC OF JUDEA instead of secular law, now you are after Children of G-d who pray to Him all day and study Torah all days and nights And now Christian quotes and argumentation that those who tear toilet paper for Shabbat didn't listen .... to WHOM ?!!! Man, after CHmelnitsky massacres/ Shabbetai Zvi and subsequent rise of Chassidism and ultimate destruction by Nazis of that zone of settlement that Chassidism covered --requirements for messiahs are pretty high. If everything is His, from and by Him, every moment, even right now, not only in the beginning, but to the end, and in between, then what can you do in reaching religious ideal other than praying for it? Definitely not getting involved in Machiavellism --- or terrorism, for that matter. He took us out of Egypt without our participation, only after some time there, He took us into the Land, only after some time in the desert, He gave Solomon to build the Temple, not even David was given the honor. He said to exterminate Amalek, but Saul took upon himself and spared the life of the amalek king. Question: Is Saul more merciful then He is Himself? That let to ultimate demise of Saul, and rise of David. So, why do you think things that you advocate would bring Moshiakh/Third Temple about? So, your argumentation is pretty weak on free will and calls for actions, especially for actions that you advocate -- we have to decide who is the traitor and definitively so, and then militarily/terrorist like actions -- this is not religious ideal, Just like one of your readers mentioned -- Jews become united in times of catastrophe, by imposing RAW FORCE to exile arabs -- you would bring about a catastrophe by uniting all arabs and Muslim world alike -- Pakistan does have nukes and missiles, and 150 mln of jew haters G-d is the only reality according to Judaism, and if you want to bring happiness to mankind with iron hand, it was attempted by Bolsheviks and NKVD/KGB and it didn't work, the only way is to change yourself, that's why you pray, you 're either very confused or evil Obadia, contradictions on contradictions,
do you really understand what ‘re you talking about? Machiavelli, Jewish values, and above all TORAH LAW FOR REPUBLIC OF JUDEA instead of secular law, now you are after Children of G-d who pray to Him all day and study Torah all days and nights

And now Christian quotes and argumentation that those who tear toilet paper for Shabbat didn’t listen …. to WHOM ?!!!

Man, after CHmelnitsky massacres/ Shabbetai Zvi and subsequent rise of Chassidism and ultimate destruction by Nazis of that zone of settlement that Chassidism covered –requirements for messiahs are pretty high.

If everything is His, from and by Him, every moment, even right now, not only in the beginning, but to the end, and in between, then what can you do in reaching religious ideal other than praying for it? Definitely not getting involved in Machiavellism — or terrorism, for that matter.

He took us out of Egypt without our participation, only after some time there,
He took us into the Land, only after some time in the desert, He gave Solomon to build the Temple, not even David was given the honor.
He said to exterminate Amalek, but Saul took upon himself and spared the life of the amalek king. Question: Is Saul more merciful then He is Himself? That let to ultimate demise of Saul, and rise of David. So, why do you think things that you advocate
would bring Moshiakh/Third Temple about?

So, your argumentation is pretty weak on free will and calls for actions, especially for actions that you advocate — we have to decide who is the traitor and definitively so, and then militarily/terrorist like actions — this is not religious ideal,

Just like one of your readers mentioned — Jews become united in times of catastrophe, by imposing RAW FORCE to exile arabs — you would bring about a catastrophe by uniting all arabs and Muslim world alike — Pakistan does have nukes and missiles, and 150 mln of jew haters

G-d is the only reality according to Judaism,
and if you want to bring happiness to mankind with iron hand, it was attempted by Bolsheviks and NKVD/KGB and it didn’t work, the only way is to change yourself, that’s why you pray,

you ‘re either very confused or evil

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm/comment-page-1#comment-67320 Danny the Admin Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:22:16 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm#comment-67320 To Ariel: Obadiah knows Talmud and the later works decently, but doesn't embrace Orthodoxy. Sure, no blame applies to Chabad at large, the post clearly relates to the particular deviations. To Ariel: Obadiah knows Talmud and the later works decently, but doesn’t embrace Orthodoxy.
Sure, no blame applies to Chabad at large, the post clearly relates to the particular deviations.

]]> By: Joseph The LEVITE http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm/comment-page-1#comment-67281 Joseph The LEVITE Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:28:21 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm#comment-67281 your article is mixed truth with non sense. It is true that the Rabbi system dosent suffice everything in the TORAH. HASHEMS Servant MOSHE EVED HASHEM was above all prophets and trusted by HASHEM the most To give us the The TORAH and it stands by itself . No Prophet , No King has a Prophecy higher than HASHEMS Servant MOSHE. so definitely no Rabbi can change the TORAH. When you make little of Shabat rules like cutting toilet paper before Shabat then that is a severy mistake . It is because of the rules of Shabat and keeping these rules that HASHEM protects Bnei Yisrael. Remember that Keeping the Shabat is in the 10 commandments so thats a binding agreement in Stone. and placed in the ARk. So we need to keep all the mitzvot as much as we can. anybody that reforms from the Torah should change his ways. I know some Rabbis run there shul like a business . i know rabbis discouraging Aliyah in America. But we still have our obligations to the Torah regardless of them. If youre Jewish and Rabbis dont make sense to you . then dont reform stay intouch with me and i can guide you the way HASHEM shows me. by the Torah way. Im not aHalachic athority. Im not a prophet but TORAH has led me until now. The TORAH was given to us by the highest of all Prophet Moshe . HASHEM says Bechol Beiti NeEman HOO which means in my entire house he is loyal. this is what we need to strive for Joseph Levy Ohrplus@yahoo.com your article is mixed truth with non sense.

It is true that the Rabbi system dosent suffice everything in the TORAH.

HASHEMS Servant MOSHE EVED HASHEM was above all prophets and trusted by HASHEM the most To give us the
The TORAH and it stands by itself .
No Prophet , No King has a Prophecy higher than HASHEMS Servant MOSHE. so definitely no Rabbi can change the TORAH.

When you make little of Shabat rules like cutting toilet paper before Shabat then that is a severy mistake . It is because of the rules of Shabat and keeping these rules that HASHEM protects Bnei Yisrael.
Remember that Keeping the Shabat is in the 10 commandments so thats a binding agreement in Stone. and placed in the ARk. So we need to keep all the mitzvot as much as we can.

anybody that reforms from the Torah should change his ways.
I know some Rabbis run there shul like a business . i know rabbis discouraging Aliyah in America. But we still have our obligations to the Torah regardless of them. If youre Jewish and Rabbis dont make sense to you .
then dont reform stay intouch with me and i can guide you the way HASHEM shows me. by the Torah way. Im not aHalachic athority.
Im not a prophet but TORAH has led me until now. The TORAH was given to us by the highest of all Prophet Moshe . HASHEM says Bechol Beiti NeEman HOO which means in my entire house he is loyal.
this is what we need to strive for

Joseph Levy
Ohrplus@yahoo.com

]]> By: Ariel http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm/comment-page-1#comment-67246 Ariel Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:33:32 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm#comment-67246 B"H <i>Messiah. In clear violation of the commandment that prohibits images, they put the Rebbe’s photo in homes and offices</i> How long will you sttradle two sides of the fence? Sometimes you pretend to be a Karaite like now and sometimes you quote the Talmud, Code of Jewish Law etc. I understand you have a Machiavellian approach to politics however it also seems that your approach to Torah is no less Machiavellian no real standards in how you chose to interpret Torah and Jewish Law whatever is expedient... Also In this case it would ave been more honest to blame part of the corrupt leadership of Chabad in Israel not entire Chabad since many didn't listen to them including most fervent believers in the Rebbe's messianship like Rabbi Woplo and others. B”H
Messiah. In clear violation of the commandment that prohibits images, they put the Rebbe’s photo in homes and offices

How long will you sttradle two sides of the fence?
Sometimes you pretend to be a Karaite like now and sometimes you quote the Talmud, Code of Jewish Law etc.
I understand you have a Machiavellian approach to politics however it also seems that your approach to Torah is no less Machiavellian no real standards in how you chose to interpret Torah and Jewish Law whatever is expedient…
Also In this case it would ave been more honest to blame part of the corrupt leadership of Chabad in Israel not entire Chabad since many didn’t listen to them including most fervent believers in the Rebbe’s messianship like Rabbi Woplo and others.

]]> By: chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm/comment-page-1#comment-67174 chaim Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:50:45 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm#comment-67174 Well, this became interesting here. Danny still has not answered my question about who is the reformer. And to Danny also, Jesus taught the exact thing, maybe you just missed the point. They asked to him: Should we pay the taxes? He asked them for a coin, then asked them, who is on the image here? the cesar. So give the Cesar what belongs to him, and to G-d what belongs to G-d. Imagine right now, Israel today. Ovadiah says revolution. Non-believers say we cannot do it. Ovadiah says Israel is for jews, non-believers say we cannot expel arabs, so the idea is clear. Money power and what you have to do with it is something, and G-d ways and wisdom is something else. So, Jesus say you cannot serve at the same time money and G-d. Reflex the same situation on us today and you'll understand what he said back then. What belongs to G-d has nothing to do with what belong to the temporal power out there.If you preach to follow G-d laws, you cannot preach to follow men's laws Well, this became interesting here. Danny still has not answered my question about who is the reformer.
And to Danny also, Jesus taught the exact thing, maybe you just missed the point. They asked to him:
Should we pay the taxes? He asked them for a coin, then asked them, who is on the image here? the cesar. So give the Cesar what belongs to him, and to G-d what belongs to G-d.
Imagine right now, Israel today. Ovadiah says revolution. Non-believers say we cannot do it. Ovadiah says Israel is for jews, non-believers say we cannot expel arabs, so the idea is clear.
Money power and what you have to do with it is something, and G-d ways and wisdom is something else. So, Jesus say you cannot serve at the same time money and G-d.
Reflex the same situation on us today and you’ll understand what he said back then.
What belongs to G-d has nothing to do with what belong to the temporal power out there.If you preach to follow G-d laws, you cannot preach to follow men’s laws

]]> By: Ray Bright http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm/comment-page-1#comment-67118 Ray Bright Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:18:30 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm#comment-67118 While I disagree with Obadiah on many essential points, I am in awe , over his originality, his freedom of thought and courage to go out on the limb. It is impossible to stick Obadiah in any ready made category, he creates his own category as he writes and explores. If more people would exercise such creative freedom of thought we might create an entirely new paradigm for a new kind of Jew, and indeed a new human being. Unfortunately almost everybody else clings to some belief, tradition, philosophy, or ideology, or they cling to their own ego and try to defend their previous statements right, or wrong. No freedom in that. While I disagree with Obadiah on many essential points, I am in awe , over his originality, his freedom of thought and courage to go out on the limb. It is impossible to stick Obadiah in any ready made category, he creates his own category as he writes and explores. If more people would exercise such creative freedom of thought we might create an entirely new paradigm for a new kind of Jew, and indeed a new human being. Unfortunately almost everybody else clings to some belief, tradition, philosophy, or ideology, or they cling to their own ego and try to defend their previous statements right, or wrong. No freedom in that.

]]> By: Erick S http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm/comment-page-1#comment-67113 Erick S Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:47:10 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm#comment-67113 Jeff you might like to know that one Arab in Israel has no less than 67 children (Probably more by now). He has 9 wives, 1 state that pays him for these children, and 0 loyalty to that country. Long live democracy. Jeff you might like to know that one Arab in Israel has no less than 67 children (Probably more by now). He has 9 wives, 1 state that pays him for these children, and 0 loyalty to that country.
Long live democracy.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm/comment-page-1#comment-67117 Danny the Admin Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:44:07 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm#comment-67117 To Edmund: Jews resent Christian dichotomy of deeds and beliefs. In Judaism, everything is God's, nothing is Caesar's. To Jeff: Read Obadiah's views on Christianity here http://www.samsonblinded.org/files/Jesus_and_Christ.pdf To Edmund: Jews resent Christian dichotomy of deeds and beliefs. In Judaism, everything is God’s, nothing is Caesar’s.
To Jeff: Read Obadiah’s views on Christianity here http://www.samsonblinded.org/files/Jesus_and_Christ.pdf

]]> By: edmund http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm/comment-page-1#comment-67112 edmund Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:43:49 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm#comment-67112 Good one there!By the way what do mean by wrong adice? Good one there!By the way what do mean by wrong adice?

]]> By: jeff roden http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm/comment-page-1#comment-67102 jeff roden Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:04:41 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/messiah-rings-many-times.htm#comment-67102 I have a sneaking feeling that obvadia is a sneaking jews for jesus or some other cult. after reading a lot of their literature much sound exactly like this writer of this Blog. Are we being Duped? I have a sneaking feeling that obvadia is a sneaking jews for jesus or some other cult. after reading a lot of their literature much sound exactly like this writer of this Blog. Are we being Duped?

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