Comments on: Marital habits of Jewish forefathers http://samsonblinded.org/blog/marital-habits-of-jewish-forefathers.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Sat, 19 May 2012 18:30:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: KT http://samsonblinded.org/blog/marital-habits-of-jewish-forefathers.htm/comment-page-1#comment-116857 KT Sun, 03 Jul 2011 20:30:50 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1270#comment-116857 all i can say, is thank heavens you are a minority and it not people like you that define Judaism. and thank the Lord that we have a G-d whose not sexist and who has granted us the ability to be forward thinking and thus allow judaism to grow as it has... your patriarcal interpretations of G-ds will are really annoying to put it mildly, and are really not worth mullin over. sorry to kill the dream but i dont see multipl wives in your future. all i can say, is thank heavens you are a minority and it not people like you that define Judaism. and thank the Lord that we have a G-d whose not sexist and who has granted us the ability to be forward thinking and thus allow judaism to grow as it has… your patriarcal interpretations of G-ds will are really annoying to put it mildly, and are really not worth mullin over. sorry to kill the dream but i dont see multipl wives in your future.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/marital-habits-of-jewish-forefathers.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112937 Danny the Admin Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:34:50 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1270#comment-112937 For me, Exodus is more important than Holocaust. Exodus shaped Jews for 4,000 years. Holocaust is all but forgotten now: Israel keeps friendly relations with Germany. Besides, Holocaust is not unique. A similar proportion of Jews was murdered during Crusades (in affected areas), the Black Death (entire Europe), and Khmelnitsky. For me, Exodus is more important than Holocaust. Exodus shaped Jews for 4,000 years. Holocaust is all but forgotten now: Israel keeps friendly relations with Germany. Besides, Holocaust is not unique. A similar proportion of Jews was murdered during Crusades (in affected areas), the Black Death (entire Europe), and Khmelnitsky.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/marital-habits-of-jewish-forefathers.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112936 Danny the Admin Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:30:05 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1270#comment-112936 If I recall correctly, a midrash says that Yitzhak had a wife besides Rivkah. Anyway, two patriarchs out of three were certainly polygamous. Not only they, but plenty of common Jews who did not speak with God. Rashi is silent on Jacob kissing Rachel. Genesis 41:45: "and he [pharaoh] gave him [Joseph] Asnat for a wife, a daughter of Poti Fera, a priest of On." If I recall correctly, a midrash says that Yitzhak had a wife besides Rivkah. Anyway, two patriarchs out of three were certainly polygamous.
Not only they, but plenty of common Jews who did not speak with God.
Rashi is silent on Jacob kissing Rachel.
Genesis 41:45: “and he [pharaoh] gave him [Joseph] Asnat for a wife, a daughter of Poti Fera, a priest of On.”

]]> By: L'Chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/marital-habits-of-jewish-forefathers.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112935 L'Chaim Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:28:13 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1270#comment-112935 You discussed yitzchak and rivkah and in the next sentence and says that the patriarchs were polygamous - yitzchak wasn't! avraham was at the request of sarah and agreement of hashem and yaakov was - as per the rebbe's sicha on that parsha!! how dare you minimize their standing and treat them like common people!!! do you even understand that they spoke to hashem as someone speaks to his friend!?!?!?!?! as for your comment that yaakov kissed rochel because she was so young when they met - I suggest you learn rashi on that possuk!!! your point is so twisted - it's sickening! yosef did NOT marry 'an Egyptian priests' daughter' - as it's specified in rashi - he married dina's daughter!!! his niece and he only had one wife. should i keep going? You discussed yitzchak and rivkah and in the next sentence and says that the patriarchs were polygamous – yitzchak wasn’t! avraham was at the request of sarah and agreement of hashem and yaakov was – as per the rebbe’s sicha on that parsha!! how dare you minimize their standing and treat them like common people!!! do you even understand that they spoke to hashem as someone speaks to his friend!?!?!?!?!

as for your comment that yaakov kissed rochel because she was so young when they met – I suggest you learn rashi on that possuk!!! your point is so twisted – it’s sickening!

yosef did NOT marry ‘an Egyptian priests’ daughter’ – as it’s specified in rashi – he married dina’s daughter!!! his niece and he only had one wife.

should i keep going?

]]> By: Ray Bright http://samsonblinded.org/blog/marital-habits-of-jewish-forefathers.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112934 Ray Bright Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:26:23 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1270#comment-112934 Danny, You are confusing history with mythology. * As for history, Holocaust is undeniably more important than Exodus. The enormity of Holocaust is impossible to grasp by our minds. It may take several generations before we can even start understanding and thinking rationally what really happened. Meanwhile we are a traumatized nation, acting irrationally and self-destructively. We are in denial of a horrible truth: No God came to our rescue in a catastrophe far greater than the Egyptian slavery. If want to exist, we need to face this, start being rational and save ourselves, rather than relying on God to do it for us. It is an emergency, life and death situation, and we cannot follow other nations example, as no other nation is in such grave danger. Danny,
You are confusing history with mythology.
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As for history, Holocaust is undeniably more important than Exodus. The enormity of Holocaust is impossible to grasp by our minds. It may take several generations before we can even start understanding and thinking rationally what really happened.
Meanwhile we are a traumatized nation, acting irrationally and self-destructively.
We are in denial of a horrible truth: No God came to our rescue in a catastrophe far greater than the Egyptian slavery.
If want to exist, we need to face this, start being rational and save ourselves, rather than relying on God to do it for us.
It is an emergency, life and death situation, and we cannot follow other nations example, as no other nation is in such grave danger.

]]> By: AbuShy http://samsonblinded.org/blog/marital-habits-of-jewish-forefathers.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112920 AbuShy Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:34:15 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1270#comment-112920 That's right, divorce, unlike that in Islam or in a society anywhere where it is basically just a "no fault" situation, is just a macabre sport. That is also the theme in Deuteronomy 24. It was to make people think twice about the prospect of casual separation and then changing their mind when circumstances changed and getting back together again. Casual remarriage after a frivolous separation (divorce) is not an option wrote Moshe. I.E. think twice before divorcing That’s right, divorce, unlike that in Islam or in a society anywhere where it is basically just a “no fault” situation, is just a macabre sport. That is also the theme in Deuteronomy 24. It was to make people think twice about the prospect of casual separation and then changing their mind when circumstances changed and getting back together again. Casual remarriage after a frivolous separation (divorce) is not an option wrote Moshe.
I.E. think twice before divorcing

]]> By: chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/marital-habits-of-jewish-forefathers.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112911 chaim Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:46:38 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1270#comment-112911 Danny: The opposite is true. Hebrew "slaves" were hebrews forced to sell themselves in order to redeeem debts, and they cannot be slaves more than 7 years. In the other hand, foreign slaves were to be property of the master for life. But anyway, they were not the classical figure of a black man picking cotton under the whip. Slaves under hebrews had more rights than today have a lot of working class people. They can rest in Shabbat, be paid if some physical harm was produced to them, have children(of their own), enjoy to be equals in trials, etc. Hebrew slaves were the only ones to choose if they wanted to stay under his master after the 7th year. Danny:
The opposite is true. Hebrew “slaves” were hebrews forced to sell themselves in order to redeeem debts, and they cannot be slaves more than 7 years. In the other hand, foreign slaves were to be property of the master for life. But anyway, they were not the classical figure of a black man picking cotton under the whip. Slaves under hebrews had more rights than today have a lot of working class people. They can rest in Shabbat, be paid if some physical harm was produced to them, have children(of their own), enjoy to be equals in trials, etc.

Hebrew slaves were the only ones to choose if they wanted to stay under his master after the 7th year.

]]> By: chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/marital-habits-of-jewish-forefathers.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112910 chaim Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:40:52 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1270#comment-112910 Abu Shy: I think you did not understand what I wrote. I never said divorce was CORRECTED in Babylon, but just the opposite. Jesus was answering to anyone present. And in deed, in Moshe's law, divorce is rejecting your wife. Why could it be possible to reject your wife with a letter? In order to make a letter, you have to cite WHY you reject her, so it's not a issue to take lightly. Jesus intended to say, don't just divorce your wife as sport. Abu Shy: I think you did not understand what I wrote. I never said divorce was CORRECTED in Babylon, but just the opposite. Jesus was answering to anyone present. And in deed, in Moshe’s law, divorce is rejecting your wife. Why could it be possible to reject your wife with a letter? In order to make a letter, you have to cite WHY you reject her, so it’s not a issue to take lightly. Jesus intended to say, don’t just divorce your wife as sport.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/marital-habits-of-jewish-forefathers.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112901 Danny the Admin Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:15:36 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1270#comment-112901 Servitude is only applicable to Jewish slaves. Foreign slaves - specifically, the Canaanite ones - are treated on par with tools. Servitude is only applicable to Jewish slaves. Foreign slaves – specifically, the Canaanite ones – are treated on par with tools.

]]> By: Vienna Mike http://samsonblinded.org/blog/marital-habits-of-jewish-forefathers.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112897 Vienna Mike Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:03:48 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1270#comment-112897 Torah is the foundation of our identity. Toss the Torah and lose your identity. This has been tried, Ray. The road to Oslo and Amona leads through Zionist kibbutznikim munching on chazor on Yom Kippur and proudly waving their Mapai membership cards. Torah is the foundation of our identity. Toss the Torah and lose your identity. This has been tried, Ray. The road to Oslo and Amona leads through Zionist kibbutznikim munching on chazor on Yom Kippur and proudly waving their Mapai membership cards.

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