Comments on: Killing and murder in Judaism http://samsonblinded.org/blog/killing-and-murder-in-judaism.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:09:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Chaya K. http://samsonblinded.org/blog/killing-and-murder-in-judaism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113778 Chaya K. Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:22:14 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1443#comment-113778 Where are your sources? It seems, the statement "intepretation is everything" applies best to your entries and blogs. Obviously you are a person who would love to learn Tora, but does it in a way which, and forgive me to say it openly but the readers should know this, desecrates G-D'S NAME. There is no mention of the chauvinist ideas you present here concerning kidnapping, killing and so on, in the Tora. Otherwise you should quote not only the primary source (Talmud), but also secondary ones like Rambam etcetera. What is your goal? Not only desecration and using Tora wisdom and words for your own sake of hate speech against other nations? Jewry Jewry over everything? And then trying to prove this trough the holy law? Seems we live on one planet but are not registered under the same adress, brother. Where are your sources?
It seems, the statement “intepretation is everything” applies best to your entries and blogs.
Obviously you are a person who would love to learn Tora, but does it in a way which, and forgive me to say it openly but the readers should know this, desecrates G-D’S NAME.
There is no mention of the chauvinist ideas you present here concerning kidnapping, killing and so on, in the Tora. Otherwise you should quote not only the primary source (Talmud), but also secondary ones like Rambam etcetera.
What is your goal? Not only desecration and using Tora wisdom and words for your own sake of hate speech against other nations?
Jewry Jewry over everything?
And then trying to prove this trough the holy law?
Seems we live on one planet but are not registered under the same adress, brother.

]]> By: Saar http://samsonblinded.org/blog/killing-and-murder-in-judaism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113419 Saar Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:16:45 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1443#comment-113419 Christianity and Islam have similar laws on charging interest. Its pure hypocrisy. Christianity and Islam have similar laws on charging interest. Its pure hypocrisy.

]]> By: Eli http://samsonblinded.org/blog/killing-and-murder-in-judaism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113404 Eli Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:59:47 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1443#comment-113404 As Stalin used to say, "No person - no problem". The captured elderly men were killed because the old people are always the most stubborn keepers of their old traditions. They could not be reformed or used as slaves, hence they were rid of in the simplest way. As Stalin used to say, “No person – no problem”. The captured elderly men were killed because the old people are always the most stubborn keepers of their old traditions. They could not be reformed or used as slaves, hence they were rid of in the simplest way.

]]> By: Jake http://samsonblinded.org/blog/killing-and-murder-in-judaism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113403 Jake Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:42:02 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1443#comment-113403 Thank you for clarifying the meaning of the terms (eg: "only neighbors can be robbed, not distant nations—and the Torah envisages a society where the only neighbors around are Jewish") The same applies for Jewish usury laws. Ignorant anti-semites like to mention how "Jews dont charge Jews interest - only non-Jews", arguing that Jewish law is racist. The law allows an Israelite to charge interest to a "foreigner" (but not a local Israelite) which is actually a nationalistic law - not a racist one. With Jews spread out over the world, it could look racist - but who's fault is that? Thank you for clarifying the meaning of the terms (eg: “only neighbors can be robbed, not distant nations—and the Torah envisages a society where the only neighbors around are Jewish”)

The same applies for Jewish usury laws. Ignorant anti-semites like to mention how “Jews dont charge Jews interest – only non-Jews”, arguing that Jewish law is racist. The law allows an Israelite to charge interest to a “foreigner” (but not a local Israelite) which is actually a nationalistic law – not a racist one. With Jews spread out over the world, it could look racist – but who’s fault is that?

]]> By: Saar http://samsonblinded.org/blog/killing-and-murder-in-judaism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113390 Saar Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:36:49 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1443#comment-113390 There is a time for everything. The Torah was realistic then and is realistic now, humans have not changed. Who knows us better than our creator? There is a time for everything. The Torah was realistic then and is realistic now, humans have not changed. Who knows us better than our creator?

]]> By: chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/killing-and-murder-in-judaism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113384 chaim Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:05:58 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1443#comment-113384 This issue is a long one, I think that for several more posts. "Murdering" per se is the elaborated, cold-planned act. Not for defense,not if the discussion heats up, but the pre-planned act. For that act just 1 punishment exists: Blood for blood, the one that executes the sentence is the "goel ha dam" or blood redeemer. The explanation is that since you spilled the blood of your victim in vain, your blood should go to the land in order to redeem that blood. Otherwise,the Land became polluted. This is a important point,since this Law applies to EVERYONE living in Erez Israel, hebrew or stranger (ger). Killing a people in battle is by no way a murder, since he have a choice to flee or surrender. Not so with a cold-murder. Killing a people in a fight has a penalty also, but the killer can take refugee in the city of refugee if the goel a dam don't catch him first. Geneva convention is a fantasy made by chance AFTER the worst atrocities of World Wars. Everyone knows anyone stand by it. Furthermore,Geneva convention fuels wars, because takes combat to a almost harmless joke, so people are undeterred by war. This issue is a long one, I think that for several more posts.
“Murdering” per se is the elaborated, cold-planned act. Not for defense,not if the discussion heats up, but the pre-planned act. For that act just 1 punishment exists: Blood for blood, the one that executes the sentence is the “goel ha dam” or blood redeemer. The explanation is that since you spilled the blood of your victim in vain, your blood should go to the land in order to redeem that blood. Otherwise,the Land became polluted. This is a important point,since this Law applies to EVERYONE living in Erez Israel, hebrew or stranger (ger).

Killing a people in battle is by no way a murder, since he have a choice to flee or surrender. Not so with a cold-murder. Killing a people in a fight has a penalty also, but the killer can take refugee in the city of refugee if the goel a dam don’t catch him first.

Geneva convention is a fantasy made by chance AFTER the worst atrocities of World Wars. Everyone knows anyone stand by it. Furthermore,Geneva convention fuels wars, because takes combat to a almost harmless joke, so people are undeterred by war.

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