Comments on: Jewish peace or Arab peace initiative? http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:06:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sammy Belcher http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm/comment-page-1#comment-109722 Sammy Belcher Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:11:09 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm#comment-109722 Sam, I only spoke the truth and what is documented. I did not write history. What I learned in life, if a person doesn't want to be found out don't leave a trail of documents or statements as evidence. You and I know that the Jews lived in that land continuously, and that the Jews did not slaughter their way in and captured the land, but migrated their way back and tilled the land and built cities and created jobs and opportunitites. The land was sparsly populated with Jewish or arab villages. You also know that the land went from Jewish hand to greeks, romans, arabs, turks and british, and back in Jewish hands. Slaughter is slaughter whether on a large or small scale. Threats were made to anihilate,slaughter, kill, destroy(whatever word fits)the Jews in the Land. Arab nations made the first move and now we are living with the results as of today. In 1948 UN (world community) recognized Israel as a nation, but Arabs nations decided for themselves a Jew have no right or priviledge to live in ancestral homeland though the land was big enough for both people. Though the territory was like swiss cheese that was given to the Jews, they were satified by having their territory, but i am honest to tell you not all were satified. Arabs had little support? How many Arab nations declared war on the new state? Once the war was over, Jewish state naturally enlarged, just like it did in 67 war. War is hell, people die, property is destroyed or taken. Live with the results or don't live as a warmonger.Simple? Israel get or buy weapons from US or develop their own. Israeli engineers team up with US engineers on different projects, and also work together with other nations. Arab nations in the past got or bought weapons from Soviet Union, (now russia)and from others. There are many foreign nationals in Arab countries working on projects. Are both guilty of support from other nations? You tell me. Clarify to me who stood a little chance? Is it the Arab nations that attack or small arab villages in Israel, and what great force besides Jews defending themselves? Arab villages were put in a position of getting captured by Jews thanks to the Arab nations arrogance of trying to drive the Jews into the sea. Arabs in these villages had a chance on becoming a nation too. Sad story but the realities of war. Israelis dont have to live with the guilt of winning or surviving many wars. There are 22 Arab nations, what greeds is there in wanting to live or have asperations to live in your own ancestral villages, town, or country. Jerusalem, the eternal capital of Israel speaks for itself. No need of talking about it. Israeli pulled out of Gaza 2 years ago. Gazans had a chance to build from there, instead, elect a government that is bent on israel destruction. Rhetoric or threats are nothing but to fire rockets at Israel continuously put Gazans in a position of becoming a prison. Very simple. The whole world watched as Israel pulled out Gaza. Do you remember when jews baracade themselves in synagogue. Gaza new reality could of open doors up for many opportunities for prosperity, but they chose other wise. Should I go on. I am sorry if this sounds ridiculous but it is what it is. I did not write history and you did not either. Sam,
I only spoke the truth and what is documented. I did not write history. What I learned in life, if a person doesn’t want to be found out don’t leave a trail of documents or statements as evidence. You and I know that the Jews lived in that land continuously, and that the Jews did not slaughter their way in and captured the land, but migrated their way back and tilled the land and built cities and created jobs and opportunitites. The land was sparsly populated with Jewish or arab villages. You also know that the land went from Jewish hand to greeks, romans, arabs, turks and british, and back in Jewish hands. Slaughter is slaughter whether on a large or small scale. Threats were made to anihilate,slaughter, kill, destroy(whatever word fits)the Jews in the Land. Arab nations made the first move and now we are living with the results as of today. In 1948 UN (world community) recognized Israel as a nation, but Arabs nations decided for themselves a Jew have no right or priviledge to live in ancestral homeland though the land was big enough for both people. Though the territory was like swiss cheese that was given to the Jews, they were satified by having their territory, but i am honest to tell you not all were satified. Arabs had little support? How many Arab nations declared war on the new state? Once the war was over, Jewish state naturally enlarged, just like it did in 67 war. War is hell, people die, property is destroyed or taken. Live with the results or don’t live as a warmonger.Simple? Israel get or buy weapons from US or develop their own. Israeli engineers team up with US engineers on different projects, and also work together with other nations. Arab nations in the past got or bought weapons from Soviet Union, (now russia)and from others. There are many foreign nationals in Arab countries working on projects. Are both guilty of support from other nations? You tell me. Clarify to me who stood a little chance? Is it the Arab nations that attack or small arab villages in Israel, and what great force besides Jews defending themselves? Arab villages were put in a position of getting captured by Jews thanks to the Arab nations arrogance of trying to drive the Jews into the sea. Arabs in these villages had a chance on becoming a nation too. Sad story but the realities of war. Israelis dont have to live with the guilt of winning or surviving many wars. There are 22 Arab nations, what greeds is there in wanting to live or have asperations to live in your own ancestral villages, town, or country. Jerusalem, the eternal capital of Israel speaks for itself. No need of talking about it. Israeli pulled out of Gaza 2 years ago. Gazans had a chance to build from there, instead, elect a government that is bent on israel destruction. Rhetoric or threats are nothing but to fire rockets at Israel continuously put Gazans in a position of becoming a prison. Very simple. The whole world watched as Israel pulled out Gaza. Do you remember when jews baracade themselves in synagogue. Gaza new reality could of open doors up for many opportunities for prosperity, but they chose other wise. Should I go on. I am sorry if this sounds ridiculous but it is what it is. I did not write history and you did not either.

]]> By: sam http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm/comment-page-1#comment-109718 sam Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:50:28 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm#comment-109718 Yes, exactly, so what? I fail to see any significance in that. Infact that just goes to show that yours is not a religious goal, so using religion to excuse your actions is a lie Yes, exactly, so what? I fail to see any significance in that. Infact that just goes to show that yours is not a religious goal, so using religion to excuse your actions is a lie

]]> By: sam http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm/comment-page-1#comment-109717 sam Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:45:00 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm#comment-109717 Im sorry sammy, but that is the most hopcritical of all of what i have read, and Ive seen someone claim that Israel gave Gaza water and power in my time. Firstly, what you say about the various holy places may be true, were it not for the fact that they ARE calling Jerusalem theirs, the same as you are. Secondly, "Arabs rejected peace and decided to slaughter the Jews and lost. Arabs lost the right to negotiate a deal or sit even handed with the Jews because of their crimes" No, im sorry but that is REDICULOUS. Even if, even if they did 'slaughter' Jews which is unfair, as slaughter implies on a large scale, even if they did they did so only as a response the the Jews MASSACRING them, replace Arab with Jew and vice versa, then you'll have a far more accurate interpretation. Only, the Jews went onto THEIR land and slaughtered them there. As for it being a monument, thats a bullshit statement. Israel only succeeded thanks to monumental support from the US government, supplying weapons and even troops to support you. The Arabs on the other hand had very little support, even the Saudi Arab nations did not assist them. What your claiming is much like kicking the hell out of a cat and claiming yourself a mighty hunter because of it. They stood little chance in the face of such force. A "greedy empire" is exactly what Israel has become. You couldnt just stop at claiming Jerusalem, you had to turn the whole Gaza strip into a massive open air prison subjugating everyone within. If yours was simply a religious goal, it has ended. But the oppression and death continues. Im sorry sammy, but that is the most hopcritical of all of what i have read, and Ive seen someone claim that Israel gave Gaza water and power in my time.
Firstly, what you say about the various holy places may be true, were it not for the fact that they ARE calling Jerusalem theirs, the same as you are.
Secondly, “Arabs rejected peace and decided to slaughter the Jews and lost. Arabs lost the right to negotiate a deal or sit even handed with the Jews because of their crimes”
No, im sorry but that is REDICULOUS. Even if, even if they did ’slaughter’ Jews which is unfair, as slaughter implies on a large scale, even if they did they did so only as a response the the Jews MASSACRING them, replace Arab with Jew and vice versa, then you’ll have a far more accurate interpretation. Only, the Jews went onto THEIR land and slaughtered them there.
As for it being a monument, thats a bullshit statement. Israel only succeeded thanks to monumental support from the US government, supplying weapons and even troops to support you. The Arabs on the other hand had very little support, even the Saudi Arab nations did not assist them. What your claiming is much like kicking the hell out of a cat and claiming yourself a mighty hunter because of it. They stood little chance in the face of such force.
A “greedy empire” is exactly what Israel has become. You couldnt just stop at claiming Jerusalem, you had to turn the whole Gaza strip into a massive open air prison subjugating everyone within. If yours was simply a religious goal, it has ended. But the oppression and death continues.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm/comment-page-1#comment-109688 Danny the Admin Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:37:19 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm#comment-109688 Why? Why?

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm/comment-page-1#comment-109661 Danny the Admin Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:28:36 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm#comment-109661 And so what? Nazi-supporting German priests and Ukrainian pogrom mobs, they also believed, so what? And so what? Nazi-supporting German priests and Ukrainian pogrom mobs, they also believed, so what?

]]> By: Sammy Belcher http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm/comment-page-1#comment-109654 Sammy Belcher Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:07:16 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm#comment-109654 According to scriptual christianity, heaven belongs to the believers not Jerusalem. Mecca and Medina belong to the Muslems. Jerusalem belong to the Jews. Sounds fair. Tragically Jews were not able to maintain their heritage due to the climate meaning wars and greedy empires. Jews survived and are back in the land and are there to stay. Things could have gone a little smooth but the Arabs rejected peace and decided to slaughter the Jews and lost. Arabs lost the right to negotiate a deal or sit even handed with the Jews because of their crimes. The Jews paid for that land with their own blood. Holding on to the land is a monument to any nation that attacks another, basically they would have to live with the results of losing. According to scriptual christianity, heaven belongs to the believers not Jerusalem. Mecca and Medina belong to the Muslems. Jerusalem belong to the Jews. Sounds fair. Tragically Jews were not able to maintain their heritage due to the climate meaning wars and greedy empires. Jews survived and are back in the land and are there to stay. Things could have gone a little smooth but the Arabs rejected peace and decided to slaughter the Jews and lost. Arabs lost the right to negotiate a deal or sit even handed with the Jews because of their crimes. The Jews paid for that land with their own blood. Holding on to the land is a monument to any nation that attacks another, basically they would have to live with the results of losing.

]]> By: Sammy Belcher http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm/comment-page-1#comment-109652 Sammy Belcher Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:19:37 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm#comment-109652 I wonder how well history is taught in Israel. How did we as a people come to this point and reward a Arab villages with our heritage. If the 67 war would not have taken place, Judea and Samaria would still be in Jordans hands and Gaza with Egypt. We are an intelligent and a strong people. We been there and done that over and over again and we come to this point to just give every thing up. I wonder how well history is taught in Israel. How did we as a people come to this point and reward a Arab villages with our heritage. If the 67 war would not have taken place, Judea and Samaria would still be in Jordans hands and Gaza with Egypt. We are an intelligent and a strong people. We been there and done that over and over again and we come to this point to just give every thing up.

]]> By: sam http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm/comment-page-1#comment-109648 sam Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:06:42 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm#comment-109648 Historically, and that is, PROVEN historically, Jerusalem has belonged to pretty much everyone. Jews, Christians and yes, Muslims. Christians and Muslims even owned it much more recently, why dont they have a right to it like we do? Their holy scriptures also mark it as holy ground. Hell in all your ignorance you probably dont even realise that all these faiths stem from the same writings, thats right guys, we all believe in the same God, like it or not. Historically, and that is, PROVEN historically, Jerusalem has belonged to pretty much everyone. Jews, Christians and yes, Muslims. Christians and Muslims even owned it much more recently, why dont they have a right to it like we do? Their holy scriptures also mark it as holy ground.

Hell in all your ignorance you probably dont even realise that all these faiths stem from the same writings, thats right guys, we all believe in the same God, like it or not.

]]> By: Anonymous http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm/comment-page-1#comment-109465 Anonymous Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:34:39 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm#comment-109465 I agree with you. Gut Shabes. I agree with you. Gut Shabes.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm/comment-page-1#comment-109442 Danny the Admin Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:19:04 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jewish-peace-or-arab-peace-initiative.htm#comment-109442 It is only realizable by Jews abandoning Israeli citizenship and staying in Judea as refugees It is only realizable by Jews abandoning Israeli citizenship and staying in Judea as refugees

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