Comments on: Jerusalem: first, not last http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-last.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:09:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-last.htm/comment-page-1#comment-109662 Danny the Admin Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:32:20 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-the-last.htm#comment-109662 Why don't you get out of the Occupied United States of America and turn the land to its rightful owners the Indians? Why don’t you get out of the Occupied United States of America and turn the land to its rightful owners the Indians?

]]> By: sam http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-last.htm/comment-page-1#comment-109650 sam Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:19:56 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-the-last.htm#comment-109650 Oh for crying out load danny, how i wish the world would boycott Israel like we have been doing so you can see how bad it would make things for you. Do you have no idea how much Israel relies on foreign help? Its not just food exports and imports, but weapons too from the US. In other blogs ive seen you claim that the US government opposes Israel, yet they seem fine with giving you guns and food and trading with you. Funny that "And it is truly shocking to me that even Israeli politicians are talking about “Israeli Occupied West Bank” instead of “Arab Occupied Judea”. How is it possible that the people who are supposed to represent the Jewish people are using the enemy terminology?" Ill tell you how its possible, because you ignorant bastard, the arabs have been living there for THOUSANDS of years now. Israel then came along and said "Fuck you, this is ours". Thats called an occupation, genious Oh for crying out load danny, how i wish the world would boycott Israel like we have been doing so you can see how bad it would make things for you. Do you have no idea how much Israel relies on foreign help? Its not just food exports and imports, but weapons too from the US. In other blogs ive seen you claim that the US government opposes Israel, yet they seem fine with giving you guns and food and trading with you. Funny that

“And it is truly shocking to me that even Israeli politicians are talking about “Israeli Occupied West Bank” instead of “Arab Occupied Judea”. How is it possible that the people who are supposed to represent the Jewish people are using the enemy terminology?”
Ill tell you how its possible, because you ignorant bastard, the arabs have been living there for THOUSANDS of years now. Israel then came along and said “Fuck you, this is ours”. Thats called an occupation, genious

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-last.htm/comment-page-1#comment-89590 Danny the Admin Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:09:38 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-the-last.htm#comment-89590 Why, what's the problem of a boycott? So we will live on agriculture for a decade until the world, in the worst case scenario, forgets about the Palestinians. As Kahane used to say, We were counting on the Burning Bush before, not on George Bush. Why, what’s the problem of a boycott? So we will live on agriculture for a decade until the world, in the worst case scenario, forgets about the Palestinians. As Kahane used to say, We were counting on the Burning Bush before, not on George Bush.

]]> By: Ray Bright http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-last.htm/comment-page-1#comment-89407 Ray Bright Sun, 27 Apr 2008 00:55:07 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-the-last.htm#comment-89407 I have read Samson Blinded, and I agree 90% with Obadiah. Still, Israel is not a superpower that can survive entirely on it's own. It needs relations with other countries, it needs trade. International boycott of Israel would be devastating. Ultimately you are probably right that even in spite of the "world opinion" Israel should take the land and expel the anti-Israeli Arabs. However such action with very clear statement of the Jewish perspective would be much better. It is clearly an advantage to present the point of Jewish right, rather than being perceived as an international gangster. And it is truly shocking to me that even Israeli politicians are talking about "Israeli Occupied West Bank" instead of "Arab Occupied Judea". How is it possible that the people who are supposed to represent the Jewish people are using the enemy terminology? This is without a parallel in the world. For example no Pakistan politician could ever call Norther Kashmir "Pakistani Occupied Kashmir" (as India calls it). ===================== I would be grateful if someone could explain to me how did <a href="http://samsonblinded.org/blog/judenrat-and-other-rats.htm" >Israeli leaders</a> come to use the language of their enemies? I have read Samson Blinded, and I agree 90% with Obadiah. Still, Israel is not a superpower that can survive entirely on it’s own. It needs relations with other countries, it needs trade. International boycott of Israel would be devastating. Ultimately you are probably right that even in spite of the “world opinion” Israel should take the land and expel the anti-Israeli Arabs. However such action with very clear statement of the Jewish perspective would be much better. It is clearly an advantage to present the point of Jewish right, rather than being perceived as an international gangster.
And it is truly shocking to me that even Israeli politicians are talking about “Israeli Occupied West Bank” instead of “Arab Occupied Judea”. How is it possible that the people who are supposed to represent the Jewish people are using the enemy terminology?
This is without a parallel in the world. For example no Pakistan politician could ever call Norther Kashmir “Pakistani Occupied Kashmir” (as India calls it).
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I would be grateful if someone could explain to me how did Israeli leaders come to use the language of their enemies?

]]> By: Joseph http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-last.htm/comment-page-1#comment-89279 Joseph Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:47:56 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-the-last.htm#comment-89279 Ray -- Well, yes and no. I haven't completely finished reading Obadiah's book (just downloaded it a little while back), but I have gotten to his argument that Israel should just take the land she wants and that the world powers will not object -- they never do. World opinion (and Arabs)respects strength and despise weakness and unpredictability in enemies. I completely agree. Screw world opinion and the Jewish state will have the respect of world opinion and acquiescence to her just claims. Don't argue about the justifications until you have already taken what you want. And give nothing back. Ray — Well, yes and no. I haven’t completely finished reading Obadiah’s book (just downloaded it a little while back), but I have gotten to his argument that Israel should just take the land she wants and that the world powers will not object — they never do. World opinion (and Arabs)respects strength and despise weakness and unpredictability in enemies. I completely agree. Screw world opinion and the Jewish state will have the respect of world opinion and acquiescence to her just claims. Don’t argue about the justifications until you have already taken what you want. And give nothing back.

]]> By: Ray Bright http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-last.htm/comment-page-1#comment-89275 Ray Bright Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:45:40 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-the-last.htm#comment-89275 Joseph, The point was not about letting some international tribunal decide about the Jewish state. It is about having a strong argument in the court of public opinion. Like it, or not, but it matters hugely what people in other countries, especially America and Europe think about Israel. If they think that Jewish people have the natural right to the state of Israel, then such support will translate great success for Israel. Then Israel will not hesitate to control the whole Land of Israel, and to expel all the disloyal Arabs. If Jews clearly claim their right as indigenous people of the Land of Israel (maliciously named "Palestine" by the Romans), then even Arabs will come to terms with Jews as neighbors. At least Arabs will know what Jews are up to. Jews want their ancient country, that's all. No need to worry about Jews taking over Mecca, Medina and Baghdad, so relax. Let the Jews have their land, since you can't beat them anyway. == So again, it is not about having some international court deciding. (While theoretically such court would be a great idea, in reality humanity has not yet arrived at the place where such court is possible.) It is about claiming our rights loudly and clearly! Joseph,

The point was not about letting some international tribunal decide about the Jewish state.
It is about having a strong argument in the court of public opinion. Like it, or not, but it matters hugely what people in other countries, especially America and Europe think about Israel.
If they think that Jewish people have the natural right to the state of Israel, then such support will translate great success for Israel. Then Israel will not hesitate to control the whole Land of Israel, and to expel all the disloyal Arabs.
If Jews clearly claim their right as indigenous people of the Land of Israel (maliciously named “Palestine” by the Romans), then even Arabs will come to terms with Jews as neighbors. At least Arabs will know what Jews are up to. Jews want their ancient country, that’s all. No need to worry about Jews taking over Mecca, Medina and Baghdad, so relax. Let the Jews have their land, since you can’t beat them anyway.
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So again, it is not about having some international court deciding. (While theoretically such court would be a great idea, in reality humanity has not yet arrived at the place where such court is possible.) It is about claiming our rights loudly and clearly!

]]> By: Joseph http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-last.htm/comment-page-1#comment-89268 Joseph Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:39:27 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-the-last.htm#comment-89268 Karole du Pont -- Re: Your last comment, #14. The natives should have killed the Europeans when they first came. That is the lesson -- be nice to your enemies and they will take your land. === Last I heard, Quebec was still trying to separate itself from Canada. So much for your desire for world unity. === The Jews created a garden in the desert and then gave much of the garden to the Bedouin. What have the Bedouin given in return? Terror. Karole du Pont — Re: Your last comment, #14. The natives should have killed the Europeans when they first came. That is the lesson — be nice to your enemies and they will take your land.
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Last I heard, Quebec was still trying to separate itself from Canada. So much for your desire for world unity.
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The Jews created a garden in the desert and then gave much of the garden to the Bedouin. What have the Bedouin given in return? Terror.

]]> By: Joseph http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-last.htm/comment-page-1#comment-89266 Joseph Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:30:30 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-the-last.htm#comment-89266 Oh, and Karole, I should not have left out that your Venusian friends will also have to kill all the Mohawks, great warriors who built the Empire State Building, among many other monuments to freedom. You think they are willing slaves? Try walking girders unsecured at a hundred stories above the concrete. Braves they are, and well paid for their work. Oh, and Karole, I should not have left out that your Venusian friends will also have to kill all the Mohawks, great warriors who built the Empire State Building, among many other monuments to freedom. You think they are willing slaves? Try walking girders unsecured at a hundred stories above the concrete. Braves they are, and well paid for their work.

]]> By: Karole du Pont http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-last.htm/comment-page-1#comment-89261 Karole du Pont Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:28:01 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-the-last.htm#comment-89261 The planet is one we are all tributary of one another one way or the other but identities and cultures were grown proportionally to rooting... and where they rooted... All foreign communities with no proportional knowledge to the Natives in Canada and such were the French explorers in Canada They could not have survived the winters in Canada; they were decimated by scorbut. Conviviality means survival... it meant it then in Quebec and it will mean it for humanity in the years to come. The same lessons in conviviality when the British soldiers were caught with not enough food reserves for the winter in Conquered Quebec. The lessons learned from the Natives were applied to the British soldiers by the French Canadians. So what are you tranferring from one another in the Middle East? The planet is one we are all tributary of one another one way or the other but identities and cultures were grown proportionally to rooting… and where they rooted…
All foreign communities with no proportional knowledge to the Natives in Canada and such were the French explorers in Canada They could not have survived the winters in Canada; they were decimated by scorbut. Conviviality means survival… it meant it then in Quebec and it will mean it for humanity in the years to come. The same lessons in conviviality when the British soldiers were caught with not enough food reserves for the winter in Conquered Quebec. The lessons learned from the Natives were applied to the British soldiers by the French Canadians. So what are you tranferring from one another in the Middle East?

]]> By: Joseph http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-last.htm/comment-page-1#comment-89260 Joseph Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:09:28 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/jerusalem-first-not-the-last.htm#comment-89260 Obadiah -- Once again, you are exactly on point. Obadiah — Once again, you are exactly on point.

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