Comments on: Israel lost the media war http://samsonblinded.org/blog/israel-lost-the-media-war.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Sat, 19 May 2012 18:30:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dave the Psyborg http://samsonblinded.org/blog/israel-lost-the-media-war.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114242 Dave the Psyborg Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:07:26 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=3643#comment-114242 "Propaganda must be forceful, serious, and credible" This is an extremely important point. Influencing opinion is serious business. A haphazard effort will prove to be worse than useless You must also take into account that there are many audiences. What channel (medium) you opt for depends on the target audience. Often you will be simultaneously communicating to multiple audiences. Audience research is as important as the message. I have extensive experience in psychological operations and would gladly offer my expertise to a serious effort. Sometimes I believe Israelis should be the primary target audience, at least initially, of a serious hasbarah/propaganda/influence program. “Propaganda must be forceful, serious, and credible” This is an extremely important point. Influencing opinion is serious business. A haphazard effort will prove to be worse than useless

You must also take into account that there are many audiences. What channel (medium) you opt for depends on the target audience. Often you will be simultaneously communicating to multiple audiences. Audience research is as important as the message.

I have extensive experience in psychological operations and would gladly offer my expertise to a serious effort.

Sometimes I believe Israelis should be the primary target audience, at least initially, of a serious hasbarah/propaganda/influence program.

]]> By: AbuShy http://samsonblinded.org/blog/israel-lost-the-media-war.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114234 AbuShy Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:09:10 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=3643#comment-114234 OK, my yellow journalism in the states might bring Mr. Gillis, jfxgillis@yahoo.com, to our forum. I hope he'll say "hi" from Boston after the meltdown. He is a nice guy. Be nice to him, por favor! OK,
my yellow journalism in the states might bring Mr. Gillis, jfxgillis@yahoo.com, to our forum. I hope he’ll say “hi” from Boston after the meltdown.

He is a nice guy. Be nice to him, por favor!

]]> By: AbuShy http://samsonblinded.org/blog/israel-lost-the-media-war.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114224 AbuShy Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:43:14 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=3643#comment-114224 The problem with Savage & Co, I believe, is that they are essentially a right-wing yellow press, and the yellow press’s circulation is naturally limited. Propaganda must be forceful, serious, and credible - which is only achievable on the scale of at least a major news channel. Danny, when you say, "Savage & Co", I agree. The Jewish impact is not as strong, but is there, nevertheless. If you think Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity are in the same vein, you're badly mistaken. They dominate the news cycle, radio and TV, and give others opportunities that didn't exist here to for. The key? Capitalism. That is where Israel's will fail until and unless the old school Communist Zionism of the ben Guriyon/Golda Meir class of Israelis that got Israel started but keep her in cold storage, like a bad museum today...unless and until it is given a swift kick in the pants and booted. Socialism has got to go, ya know?~)) The problem with Savage & Co, I believe, is that they are essentially a right-wing yellow press, and the yellow press’s circulation is naturally limited. Propaganda must be forceful, serious, and credible – which is only achievable on the scale of at least a major news channel.

Danny, when you say, “Savage & Co”, I agree. The Jewish impact is not as strong, but is there, nevertheless. If you think Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity are in the same vein, you’re badly mistaken.

They dominate the news cycle, radio and TV, and give others opportunities that didn’t exist here to for. The key? Capitalism. That is where Israel’s will fail until and unless the old school Communist Zionism of the ben Guriyon/Golda Meir class of Israelis that got Israel started but keep her in cold storage, like a bad museum today…unless and until it is given a swift kick in the pants and booted. Socialism has got to go, ya know?~))

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/israel-lost-the-media-war.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114220 Danny the Admin Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:48:37 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=3643#comment-114220 The problem with Savage & Co, I believe, is that they are essentially a right-wing yellow press, and the yellow press's circulation is naturally limited. Propaganda must be forceful, serious, and credible - which is only achievable on the scale of at least a major news channel. The problem with Savage & Co, I believe, is that they are essentially a right-wing yellow press, and the yellow press’s circulation is naturally limited. Propaganda must be forceful, serious, and credible – which is only achievable on the scale of at least a major news channel.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/israel-lost-the-media-war.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114214 Danny the Admin Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:04:35 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=3643#comment-114214 Punishing other sites is pretty simple, as we used to do before with neo-Nazi sites. Your youtube example confirms that propaganda contra is generally more successful than pro. Punishing other sites is pretty simple, as we used to do before with neo-Nazi sites.
Your youtube example confirms that propaganda contra is generally more successful than pro.

]]> By: AbuShy http://samsonblinded.org/blog/israel-lost-the-media-war.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114213 AbuShy Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:39:54 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=3643#comment-114213 Let me make one more comment to Obadiah's text. He stated, "...This could be changed by bringing in pro-Israeli Christian journalists, but they would be ostracized on a larger scale than the Fox journalists. Few people would risk their careers to take a job in a controversial Jewish channel constantly under attack for its pro-Israeli bias..." The problem would not be with 'pro-Israeli Christian journalists' risking their careers, it would be in finding ones that would gladly, if called upon, to give up their lives for the cause. My offer still stands. Somebody get me through to Netanyahu! How can I get through the firewall built around Israel's Prime Minister? Let me make one more comment to Obadiah’s text. He stated, “…This could be changed by bringing in pro-Israeli Christian journalists, but they would be ostracized on a larger scale than the Fox journalists. Few people would risk their careers to take a job in a controversial Jewish channel constantly under attack for its pro-Israeli bias…”

The problem would not be with ‘pro-Israeli Christian journalists’ risking their careers, it would be in finding ones that would gladly, if called upon, to give up their lives for the cause.

My offer still stands. Somebody get me through to Netanyahu! How can I get through the firewall built around Israel’s Prime Minister?

]]> By: Erick S http://samsonblinded.org/blog/israel-lost-the-media-war.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114210 Erick S Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:23:54 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=3643#comment-114210 :O Me?! How the hell did you make that connection? In that case, I say it is you! :P :O
Me?! How the hell did you make that connection?
In that case, I say it is you! :P

]]> By: Ray Bright http://samsonblinded.org/blog/israel-lost-the-media-war.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114206 Ray Bright Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:30:22 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=3643#comment-114206 So was it you, Eric? Come out of the closet and we will throw a party for you:) The Houri was pretty good, had me fooled for a while. So was it you, Eric?
Come out of the closet and we will throw a party for you:)
The Houri was pretty good, had me fooled for a while.

]]> By: T-Jew http://samsonblinded.org/blog/israel-lost-the-media-war.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114205 T-Jew Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:36:23 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=3643#comment-114205 You say: "But in Gaza, we fought in the manner of a police operation, army against civilians, which did not look well on foreign TV screens." Well, Winograd report critisized IDF in Lebanon 2006 for fighting a war in the manner of a police operation. Why do you say differently? You say: “But in Gaza, we fought in the manner of a police operation, army against civilians, which did not look well on foreign TV screens.”
Well, Winograd report critisized IDF in Lebanon 2006 for fighting a war in the manner of a police operation. Why do you say differently?

]]> By: Shiloh http://samsonblinded.org/blog/israel-lost-the-media-war.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114204 Shiloh Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:58:30 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=3643#comment-114204 Erick, we should not give a damn, that's true. Until we stand up for Emet and don't give a damn whether or not the goyim agree, we will remain in this mess. We are being led by faithless shephards of both the religious and secular. We lack emunah, that's the bottom line. Remember, don't get too cosy with Esav. Esav hates Yaakov. Esav is not important even though they believe different, as haShem hates Esav, don't give them an opening as it will be to our detriment. Shavua Tov. Erick, we should not give a damn, that’s true. Until we stand up for Emet and don’t give a damn whether or not the goyim agree, we will remain in this mess. We are being led by faithless shephards of both the religious and secular. We lack emunah, that’s the bottom line. Remember, don’t get too cosy with Esav. Esav hates Yaakov. Esav is not important even though they believe different, as haShem hates Esav, don’t give them an opening as it will be to our detriment. Shavua Tov.

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