Comments on: Emigration is a function of economy http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Sat, 19 May 2012 18:30:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm/comment-page-1#comment-10148 Danny the Admin Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:04:51 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm#comment-10148 To Chaim: The situation of leftist education is given. A generation of Israeli Jews is educated in anti-religious, superficially Zionist values. What are the options to keep them in Israel now? Only money. At least, Israel should not rob them through overtaxation and overregulation. Obadiah does not imply at all "money instead of land." Talk money to people for whom the land of Israel is of no value. To Chaim: The situation of leftist education is given. A generation of Israeli Jews is educated in anti-religious, superficially Zionist values. What are the options to keep them in Israel now? Only money. At least, Israel should not rob them through overtaxation and overregulation. Obadiah does not imply at all “money instead of land.” Talk money to people for whom the land of Israel is of no value.

]]> By: chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm/comment-page-1#comment-9863 chaim Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:25:37 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm#comment-9863 to Joeseph: What is morally wrong for you? Arabs can attack civil jews and we have to wait for morally attacking them? Where did you got such morals? If there is not jews, there is no "jewish moral" If they gladly attack us in our way home, in the shopping, etc, why can't we just nuke them or pay them in the same way? Maybe you think arabs stop and think twice before killing jews. Well,NO So let's talk the same language.. About Ovadiah's text: Israel is not for everyone. Am israel lays on 3 pillars: Our G-d, our land and our law. If you swap land by money, well I'm not so sure Am Israel needs you. You gotta choose. I myself choose. That is the escence of our people, you always can choose. But getting back to the consitions for jews to come, I think it's more related to education, not just money. If you received the proper sionist education, you always will choose to live here. If you did not receive it, it's never too late. to Joeseph: What is morally wrong for you? Arabs can attack civil jews and we have to wait for morally attacking them? Where did you got such morals? If there is not jews, there is no “jewish moral” If they gladly attack us in our way home, in the shopping, etc, why can’t we just nuke them or pay them in the same way? Maybe you think arabs stop and think twice before killing jews. Well,NO
So let’s talk the same language..
About Ovadiah’s text: Israel is not for everyone. Am israel lays on 3 pillars: Our G-d, our land and our law. If you swap land by money, well I’m not so sure Am Israel needs you. You gotta choose. I myself choose. That is the escence of our people, you always can choose. But getting back to the consitions for jews to come, I think it’s more related to education, not just money. If you received the proper sionist education, you always will choose to live here. If you did not receive it, it’s never too late.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm/comment-page-1#comment-9862 Danny the Admin Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:25:12 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm#comment-9862 To Joeseph: Perhaps you forgot how the Soviet Jews, among other people, shed tears over the dead Stalin. Or how the Jews refused to leave to Israel during the 1950s or 1970s windows. About the nukes, the only morally wrong policy is to have Jews killed. Fallout from tactical nukes at 60 miles distance is negligible. To Joeseph: Perhaps you forgot how the Soviet Jews, among other people, shed tears over the dead Stalin. Or how the Jews refused to leave to Israel during the 1950s or 1970s windows.

About the nukes, the only morally wrong policy is to have Jews killed. Fallout from tactical nukes at 60 miles distance is negligible.

]]> By: Joeseph http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm/comment-page-1#comment-9855 Joeseph Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:46:06 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm#comment-9855 To the first part of Obadiah's essay, I have to reply that most Soviet Jews did not have any kind of "affinity" for the soviet union, resented all of the soviet unions extreme anti-Semitic environment and lived as second class citizens. To the second part, dismantling the Israeli Army is ludicrous. Total nuclear deterrence is absurd. Israel is so small that use of most tactical nuclear weaponry would result in nuclear fallout over portions of Israel itself. Secondly, if nuclear weaponry would be used against population centers like you recommended, it would 1) garner retribution by the entire Arab world, 2) calls for actions against Israel in the UN, and 3) cry’s for Israeli leadership to undergo war crimes tribunals for "murder" of millions of non-combatants.Not to mention, adopting this policy would also be morrally wrong. (You dont target civilians) Also, I’m not sure how much of a deterrent Nuking population centers would be, if there’s no army to stop the invading forces from sacking Israel. Especially since you can’t nuke those invading armies for fear of nuclear fallout. The <a href="http://samsonblinded.org/titles/Israeli_military_strategy.htm" >Israeli Army</a> is central to Israel’s safety. To the first part of Obadiah’s essay, I have to reply that most Soviet Jews did not have any kind of “affinity” for the soviet union, resented all of the soviet unions extreme anti-Semitic environment and lived as second class citizens.

To the second part, dismantling the Israeli Army is ludicrous. Total nuclear deterrence is absurd. Israel is so small that use of most tactical nuclear weaponry would result in nuclear fallout over portions of Israel itself. Secondly, if nuclear weaponry would be used against population centers like you recommended, it would 1) garner retribution by the entire Arab world, 2) calls for actions against Israel in the UN, and 3) cry’s for Israeli leadership to undergo war crimes tribunals for “murder” of millions of non-combatants.Not to mention, adopting this policy would also be morrally wrong. (You dont target civilians) Also, I’m not sure how much of a deterrent Nuking population centers would be, if there’s no army to stop the invading forces from sacking Israel. Especially since you can’t nuke those invading armies for fear of nuclear fallout. The Israeli Army is central to Israel’s safety.

]]> By: Alain http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm/comment-page-1#comment-9833 Alain Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:25:04 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm#comment-9833 To Danny. I rest my case. To Danny. I rest my case.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm/comment-page-1#comment-9830 Danny the Admin Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:21:00 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm#comment-9830 The supreme court is a bunch of anti-Semites, silly at that. If a Christian charity could benefit Christians only, if an aid program set up in America for Rwanda benefits Rwanda but not Somalia, if a person could bequeath to a heir instead of sharing with everyone, what could prohibit a private entity - financed by the Jews - to lease to the Jews only? The decision you cite was about the Jewish Agency, not specifically JNF, but very close. btw, the court decided differently in a case involving a Bedu village, namely that a Jew cannot buy land in Bedouin village with is protected by special government interest. Jewish land, apparently, lacks the attachment of such interest. The supreme court is a bunch of anti-Semites, silly at that. If a Christian charity could benefit Christians only, if an aid program set up in America for Rwanda benefits Rwanda but not Somalia, if a person could bequeath to a heir instead of sharing with everyone, what could prohibit a private entity – financed by the Jews – to lease to the Jews only?
The decision you cite was about the Jewish Agency, not specifically JNF, but very close. btw, the court decided differently in a case involving a Bedu village, namely that a Jew cannot buy land in Bedouin village with is protected by special government interest. Jewish land, apparently, lacks the attachment of such interest.

]]> By: Alain http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm/comment-page-1#comment-9824 Alain Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:41:17 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/emigration-is-a-function-of-economy.htm#comment-9824 Did the judicial activists of the Court not rule that the NJF cannot refuse to lease or sell its land to Arabs? As a result I understand that the NJF has sought ways of getting around this absurd ruling. This is the very kind of thing to encourage aliya. For any true economic reform, Israel needs a free market economy, which means the removal of all the socialist bureaucratic obstacles. Did the judicial activists of the Court not rule that the NJF cannot refuse to lease or sell its land to Arabs? As a result I understand that the NJF has sought ways of getting around this absurd ruling. This is the very kind of thing to encourage aliya.

For any true economic reform, Israel needs a free market economy, which means the removal of all the socialist bureaucratic obstacles.

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