Comments on: Don’t rush to save lives http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:43:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Zvi Menachem http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112347 Zvi Menachem Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:41:52 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm#comment-112347 The aim of war is to destroy the enemies’ ability to wage war. Usually this means destroying the physical infrastructure of one’s enemy. But what is Israel to do now? The war-making infrastructure is being resupplied by Israel’s surrounding enemies who are acting as proxies, so as to not incur Israel’s wrath. . Israel has two choices: It can kill all the enemy inhabitants of the land, or it can attack those who hide as the suppliers. A third, unlikely scenario would be for the enemy to become so thoroughly disgusted with their leaders, that they agree through an electoral process to become peaceful. . It is the sad irony of international politics and economics, that with unanimity, Western powers have the economic power to compel peace between Israel and Palestine-Arab consortium. Sadly, it is the way of the world that, countries often do not do what is in their best interest to do. . . I do believe that one of the underlying reasons for the West’s failure to do the right thing is anti-Semitism. That sad phenomenon has been around for over 5,600 years; it is not going away soon. The aim of war is to destroy the enemies’ ability to wage war. Usually this means destroying the physical infrastructure of one’s enemy. But what is Israel to do now? The war-making infrastructure is being resupplied by Israel’s surrounding enemies who are acting as proxies, so as to not incur Israel’s wrath.
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Israel has two choices: It can kill all the enemy inhabitants of the land, or it can attack those who hide as the suppliers. A third, unlikely scenario would be for the enemy to become so thoroughly disgusted with their leaders, that they agree through an electoral process to become peaceful.
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It is the sad irony of international politics and economics, that with unanimity, Western powers have the economic power to compel peace between Israel and Palestine-Arab consortium. Sadly, it is the way of the world that, countries often do not do what is in their best interest to do. .
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I do believe that one of the underlying reasons for the West’s failure to do the right thing is anti-Semitism. That sad phenomenon has been around for over 5,600 years; it is not going away soon.

]]> By: NormanF http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm/comment-page-1#comment-112339 NormanF Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:04:32 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm#comment-112339 Killing Arabs will save Jewish lives. Israel has to understand the purpose of a war is not to keep your enemy around for the next round. Its to wipe him out forever so he will never endanger you again. The mindless havlagah and pacifism spouted by Jews ignorant of Torah values will lead to the demise of the Jewish people. The Arabs follow a Koran in which terror and jihad is enjoined upon the faithful to terrify the enemy and ensure the triumph of Islam. Against such an ideology, weak Jews stand no chance of survival. Either kill or be killed has always been a universal human rule down through the ages. Killing Arabs will save Jewish lives. Israel has to understand the purpose of a war is not to keep your enemy around for the next round. Its to wipe him out forever so he will never endanger you again. The mindless havlagah and pacifism spouted by Jews ignorant of Torah values will lead to the demise of the Jewish people. The Arabs follow a Koran in which terror and jihad is enjoined upon the faithful to terrify the enemy and ensure the triumph of Islam. Against such an ideology, weak Jews stand no chance of survival. Either kill or be killed has always been a universal human rule down through the ages.

]]> By: Zvi Menachem http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm/comment-page-1#comment-92178 Zvi Menachem Sun, 18 May 2008 17:31:34 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm#comment-92178 I am not against the abstract idea of capitol punishment... in fact a number of forms used to accomplish the death would be acceptable to me. My reasons are not religious, but something that has been a part of almost all organized societies, must have some redeeming qualities. . What gives me pause, are the many cases where scientific evidence (DNA for the most part) have found many miscarriages of justice. A system as good (or bad... or better than other places) as we have in the USA, has been found to make mistakes. For the statistics, read: . http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/ . The moral dilemma is between letting a guilty person avoid death and killing an innocent person? One answer is to substitute a lifetime (no exception) of incarceration. If an error is found, the innocent can be released. Obviously there is no release from death. What would the sagacious rabbis in the Talmud had to say if DNA testing and other scientific methods of investigation were available then? I am not against the abstract idea of capitol punishment… in fact a number of forms used to accomplish the death would be acceptable to me. My reasons are not religious, but something that has been a part of almost all organized societies, must have some redeeming qualities.
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What gives me pause, are the many cases where scientific evidence (DNA for the most part) have found many miscarriages of justice. A system as good (or bad… or better than other places) as we have in the USA, has been found to make mistakes. For the statistics, read:
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http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/
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The moral dilemma is between letting a guilty person avoid death and killing an innocent person? One answer is to substitute a lifetime (no exception) of incarceration. If an error is found, the innocent can be released. Obviously there is no release from death.

What would the sagacious rabbis in the Talmud had to say if DNA testing and other scientific methods of investigation were available then?

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm/comment-page-1#comment-92125 Danny the Admin Sun, 18 May 2008 07:32:40 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm#comment-92125 Well, maybe you should rework your list of crimes, then Well, maybe you should rework your list of crimes, then

]]> By: DAve Rush http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm/comment-page-1#comment-92107 DAve Rush Sun, 18 May 2008 01:46:30 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm#comment-92107 People might feel differently about government-sponsored killings when it's THEIR neck on the chopping block. Remember the ever-increasing list of acts considered a crime! haha People might feel differently about government-sponsored killings when it’s THEIR neck on the chopping block. Remember the ever-increasing list of acts considered a crime! haha

]]> By: Mr. Mister http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm/comment-page-1#comment-74027 Mr. Mister Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:26:21 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm#comment-74027 Wel, I disagree. Wel, I disagree.

]]> By: chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm/comment-page-1#comment-63598 chaim Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:00:37 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm#comment-63598 Because beheading was just a caananitish use, so, yes, pagan to me... Because beheading was just a caananitish use, so, yes, pagan to me…

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm/comment-page-1#comment-63504 Danny the Admin Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:56:45 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm#comment-63504 uh-oh, a rabbinical Jewish law. I know, that means pagan to you ) uh-oh, a rabbinical Jewish law. I know, that means pagan to you )

]]> By: chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm/comment-page-1#comment-63436 chaim Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:52:35 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm#comment-63436 To Danny: A little question: where you get decapitation is a form of execution under jewish law? To Danny:
A little question: where you get decapitation is a form of execution under jewish law?

]]> By: Erick S http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm/comment-page-1#comment-63172 Erick S Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:24:12 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-rush-to-save-lives.htm#comment-63172 In the case of criminals - Neither execution nor jailing deter some people. But execution is cheaper, immediate, and effective at stopping the criminals it is used against. You don't have any murderers on the loose if they are <b>dead</b>. Plus, Danny, stoning was a form of public entertainment. In the case of criminals – Neither execution nor jailing deter some people.
But execution is cheaper, immediate, and effective at stopping the criminals it is used against.
You don’t have any murderers on the loose if they are dead.

Plus, Danny, stoning was a form of public entertainment.

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