Comments on: Don’t buy Reformism http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Sat, 19 May 2012 18:30:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115544 Danny the Admin Tue, 04 May 2010 08:01:57 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm#comment-115544 That's a different case. The intermarriage was so massive then that the women could not be assimilation into the Jewish people. Think of it: marriage was a religious ceremony before twentieth century. Pagan women had to convert de facto when marrying Jews. And on the contrary, Jewish women who married pagan males did so in a pagan ceremony. The talmudic rabbis understood that pagan women de facto joined Jews on marriage. They liberally postulated that <em>even</em> Jewish women who married pagans and to all practical purposes lost their Jewishness remained Jewish nonetheless. That’s a different case. The intermarriage was so massive then that the women could not be assimilation into the Jewish people.
Think of it: marriage was a religious ceremony before twentieth century. Pagan women had to convert de facto when marrying Jews. And on the contrary, Jewish women who married pagan males did so in a pagan ceremony. The talmudic rabbis understood that pagan women de facto joined Jews on marriage. They liberally postulated that even Jewish women who married pagans and to all practical purposes lost their Jewishness remained Jewish nonetheless.

]]> By: Gyul http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115536 Gyul Sun, 02 May 2010 14:58:14 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm#comment-115536 So marrying Canaanite slavegirls was a sin and their descendants were sent away in Ezra 10. So marrying Canaanite slavegirls was a sin and their descendants were sent away in Ezra 10.

]]> By: Gyul http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115535 Gyul Sun, 02 May 2010 14:54:23 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm#comment-115535 Ezra 9:2 "They have taken their daughters as wives for themselves and for their sons, so that the holy seed has become intermingled with the peoples of the land..." So marrying other women than Jewish is described as a sin and the sons of such women are sent away in the next passages in the Book of Ezra. No offense but patrilinear descent has absolutely no basis in Judaism. Ezra 9:2
“They have taken their daughters as wives for themselves and for their sons, so that the holy seed has become intermingled with the peoples of the land…”

So marrying other women than Jewish is described as a sin and the sons of such women are sent away in the next passages in the Book of Ezra. No offense but patrilinear descent has absolutely no basis in Judaism.

]]> By: Gyul http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115534 Gyul Sun, 02 May 2010 14:48:31 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm#comment-115534 Ezra 9:1-2 also describes marrying foreign women as sin: 9:1 "When this was over, the officers approached me saying, 'The people of Israel and the priests and Levites have not separated themselves from the peoples of the land whose abhorrent practices are like those of Canaanites, theb Hittites, the Perezzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites." Ezra 9:1-2 also describes marrying foreign women as sin:
9:1 “When this was over, the officers approached me saying, ‘The people of Israel and the priests and Levites have not separated themselves from the peoples of the land whose abhorrent practices are like those of Canaanites, theb Hittites, the Perezzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.”

]]> By: Gyul http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115531 Gyul Sun, 02 May 2010 10:23:52 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm#comment-115531 In the Book of Ezra foreign women who are not Jewish and their children are sent away because they are not Jewish. Why did they sent them away? Because they were not considered Jewish at all. In the Book of Ezra foreign women who are not Jewish and their children are sent away because they are not Jewish. Why did they sent them away? Because they were not considered Jewish at all.

]]> By: Gyul http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115530 Gyul Sun, 02 May 2010 10:18:49 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm#comment-115530 Also see: (Ezra 10:2-3): "We have transgressed against our G-d by marrying women who are foreign to the people. But there is still hope for Israel despite this. Let us now make a covenant with our G-d to expel all these women and those who have been born to them, in accordance with the bidding of Hashem and those eager to fulfill our G-d's Commandment, and let the Torah be obeyed." Also see:
(Ezra 10:2-3):
“We have transgressed against our G-d by marrying women who are foreign to the people. But there is still hope for Israel despite this. Let us now make a covenant with our G-d to expel all these women and those who have been born to them, in accordance with the bidding of Hashem and those eager to fulfill our G-d’s Commandment, and let the Torah be obeyed.”

]]> By: Gyul http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115529 Gyul Sun, 02 May 2010 10:04:45 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm#comment-115529 Deuteronomy 7:1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and shall cast out many nations before thee, the Hittite, and the Girgashite, and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; Deuteronomy 7:2 and when the LORD thy God shall deliver them up before thee, and thou shalt smite them; then thou shalt utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them; Deuteronomy 7:3 neither shalt thou make marriages with them: thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. Deuteronomy 7:4 For he will turn away thy son from following Me, that they may serve other gods; so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and He will destroy thee quickly. Deuteronomy 7:5 But thus shall ye deal with them: ye shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their graven images with fire. Deuteronomy 7:1
When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and shall cast out many nations before thee, the Hittite, and the Girgashite, and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
Deuteronomy 7:2
and when the LORD thy God shall deliver them up before thee, and thou shalt smite them; then thou shalt utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them;
Deuteronomy 7:3
neither shalt thou make marriages with them: thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
Deuteronomy 7:4
For he will turn away thy son from following Me, that they may serve other gods; so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and He will destroy thee quickly.
Deuteronomy 7:5
But thus shall ye deal with them: ye shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their graven images with fire.

]]> By: Gyul http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115528 Gyul Sun, 02 May 2010 10:01:20 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm#comment-115528 And the portion I posted goes for Canaanite women. Where is it written in Lev19:20 that those slaves are actually Canaanites? And the portion I posted goes for Canaanite women. Where is it written in Lev19:20 that those slaves are actually Canaanites?

]]> By: Gyul http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115525 Gyul Sun, 02 May 2010 09:11:44 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm#comment-115525 Deut. 7 "3 You shall not intermarry with them: do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons 4 For they will turn your children away from Me to worship other gods and the Lord's anger will blaze forth against you and He will promptly wipe you out" http://halakhah.com/pdf/nashim/Kiddushin.pdf 68B Page 224 in the pdf Deut. 7 “3 You shall not intermarry with them: do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons 4 For they will turn your children away from Me to worship other gods and the Lord’s anger will blaze forth against you and He will promptly wipe you out”

http://halakhah.com/pdf/nashim/Kiddushin.pdf

68B

Page 224 in the pdf

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115517 Danny the Admin Sat, 01 May 2010 18:25:15 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/dont-buy-reformism.htm#comment-115517 In today's Torah portion, Lev19:20 speaks of Jewish men marrying Canaanite women purchased from slavery. Even as late as Leviticus, Jewish descent had been patrilineal. In today’s Torah portion, Lev19:20 speaks of Jewish men marrying Canaanite women purchased from slavery. Even as late as Leviticus, Jewish descent had been patrilineal.

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