Comments on: Cowards mourn http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Sat, 19 May 2012 18:30:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm/comment-page-1#comment-48110 chaim Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:26:44 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm#comment-48110 Melech Adam: "in these places the mesorah of how the Torah is written and read is explained" Mesorah, tradittion, is just that, tradition, not always the truth. You have a lot of sources for reading tanach also.So you please choose betwwen Tanach, and the rabbinic explain, Talmud, with Mishnah and Gemurah. But, first choose between Talmud Yerushalmi or Babiloni, since there is differences between them. I stay with Tanach, with preference to Yonathan and Onkelos targum. Melech Adam:
“in these places the mesorah of how the Torah is written and read is explained” Mesorah, tradittion, is just that, tradition, not always the truth. You have a lot of sources for reading tanach also.So you please choose betwwen Tanach, and the rabbinic explain, Talmud, with Mishnah and Gemurah. But, first choose between Talmud Yerushalmi or Babiloni, since there is differences between them. I stay with Tanach, with preference to Yonathan and Onkelos targum.

]]> By: Melach Adam http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm/comment-page-1#comment-48106 Melach Adam Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:18:09 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm#comment-48106 Chiam, One thing I just remembered you should concider. Realize even the Tanach is the product of Rabinic Judiasm. As explained in Gemorah Safer Torah and in Nadarim. In these places the mesorah of how the Torah is written and read is explained. It is from this tradition that we have Tanach today so a rejection of Rabinic judiasm ultimately results in rejecting the Torah itself, As they brought it to us. Chiam,
One thing I just remembered you should concider. Realize even the Tanach is the product of Rabinic Judiasm. As explained in Gemorah Safer Torah and in Nadarim. In these places the mesorah of how the Torah is written and read is explained. It is from this tradition that we have Tanach today so a rejection of Rabinic judiasm ultimately results in rejecting the Torah itself, As they brought it to us.

]]> By: chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm/comment-page-1#comment-47675 chaim Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:56:54 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm#comment-47675 Melach Adam, About gilgul, I cannot even start to discuss. Please refer to tanach only. Melach Adam, About gilgul, I cannot even start to discuss. Please refer to tanach only.

]]> By: Melach Adam http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm/comment-page-1#comment-47663 Melach Adam Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:21:05 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm#comment-47663 chaim, This generation may have more merit than you think. Alot of people are doing alot of things in the service of Hashem. And Go-d searches the heart. The main thing is His mercy. He has had many chances to get rid of us it that was what he wanted to do. There have also been many supernatural wonders Hashem has perform through his sadeekem. As far as gilgul what you mean mean. You have learned parsha mishpotim and Shar gillgulim, writing from Eliyahu by the Ar'i and you think its lies or what ? chaim,
This generation may have more merit than you think. Alot of people are doing alot of things in the service of Hashem. And Go-d searches the heart. The main thing is His mercy. He has had many chances to get rid of us it that was what he wanted to do. There have also been many supernatural wonders Hashem has perform through his sadeekem. As far as gilgul what you mean mean. You have learned parsha mishpotim and Shar gillgulim, writing from Eliyahu by the Ar’i and you think its lies or what ?

]]> By: chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm/comment-page-1#comment-47650 chaim Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:48:54 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm#comment-47650 I mean the Schina in the temple. Not with Am Israel. Melach Adam, if you believe in gigul, re-encarnation, I have nothing to discuss with you. For Nathan: Read Josephus. 200 years before the temple destruction, Urim and Tumim cease to work. Does it says something to you? DO you know how the temple works? If jews are idolaters, It does not work at all. Guess what is happening now? If the right Cohen a Gadol is not there, forget it. Now, to find the right line, well, you have to simply wait for the Exodus-like events to happen. DO you see something so great in our near future? Please, learn and read Torah, not what rabbis say.. I mean the Schina in the temple. Not with Am Israel. Melach Adam, if you believe in gigul, re-encarnation, I have nothing to discuss with you. For Nathan: Read Josephus. 200 years before the temple destruction, Urim and Tumim cease to work. Does it says something to you? DO you know how the temple works? If jews are idolaters, It does not work at all. Guess what is happening now?
If the right Cohen a Gadol is not there, forget it. Now, to find the right line, well, you have to simply wait for the Exodus-like events to happen. DO you see something so great in our near future? Please, learn and read Torah, not what rabbis say..

]]> By: Jorge Banner http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm/comment-page-1#comment-47640 Jorge Banner Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:30:47 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm#comment-47640 Meir Kahana was right. What would Dayan say and/or do? Olmert and his cohorts are traitors. Israel is being destroyed by the Israelis. They will not stop in time. What will the world look like without Israel? Meir Kahana was right. What would Dayan say and/or do? Olmert and his cohorts are traitors. Israel is being destroyed by the Israelis. They will not stop in time. What will the world look like without Israel?

]]> By: pschieber http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm/comment-page-1#comment-47618 pschieber Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:15:41 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm#comment-47618 You are so right! I have forwarded your essay and hope that more people do the same. Just one question, are you a tzaddick? You are so right! I have forwarded your essay and hope that more people do the same. Just one question, are you a tzaddick?

]]> By: Nathan ha Goy http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm/comment-page-1#comment-47600 Nathan ha Goy Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:32:20 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm#comment-47600 "If you don’t rebuild the Temple when every possibility to do so exists, stop hypocritically mourning its earlier destruction." Ouch. Except, the Tish B'Av services here (we always "crash" the Conservatives for this) mourn the sin which brings judgement as well as the fullness of the judgement. Who knows, even the Reform might do something similar. As for the Shechinah, it went into exile with the children. Yes, the question of who shall serve is a serious one. It is important to be aware that the Sanhedrin moved off of the temple mount forty years before its destruction, and the pharisee movement had been going for quite some time before that. A serious attempt at building the third temple today might well shatter much of what unity there is in world Jewry today--although the charismatic Christians would be all for it. :& But the attempt must be made. Torah commands it. No, the line was not lost with the first destruction. There were a few confused cases, but those were resolved. I expect that it is lost now. I also expect that there is a relatively straight-forward way to identify an acceptable man. “If you don’t rebuild the Temple when every possibility to do so exists, stop hypocritically mourning its earlier destruction.” Ouch.

Except, the Tish B’Av services here (we always “crash” the Conservatives for this) mourn the sin which brings judgement as well as the fullness of the judgement. Who knows, even the Reform might do something similar.

As for the Shechinah, it went into exile with the children.

Yes, the question of who shall serve is a serious one. It is important to be aware that the Sanhedrin moved off of the temple mount forty years before its destruction, and the pharisee movement had been going for quite some time before that.

A serious attempt at building the third temple today might well shatter much of what unity there is in world Jewry today–although the charismatic Christians would be all for it. :& But the attempt must be made. Torah commands it.

No, the line was not lost with the first destruction. There were a few confused cases, but those were resolved. I expect that it is lost now. I also expect that there is a relatively straight-forward way to identify an acceptable man.

]]> By: Melach Adam http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm/comment-page-1#comment-47592 Melach Adam Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:10:31 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm#comment-47592 Shalom, Thats rediculous. Hashem can surely show us the correct cohen for the job. I personally know one who looks like Rabbi Yishmayol and has lit a manorah every night for the last 20 years, atleast in practice to do the real thing. He does otherthings too. He most probobly is a gilgul of R. Yismoyal. God forbid to even suggest the Shechinah left the people of Yisreal. It was even with us in exile. There are many who know. This is all I can say. Shalom,
Thats rediculous. Hashem can surely show us the correct cohen for the job. I personally know one who looks like Rabbi Yishmayol and has lit a manorah every night for the last 20 years, atleast in practice to do the real thing. He does otherthings too. He most probobly is a gilgul of R. Yismoyal.
God forbid to even suggest the Shechinah left the people of Yisreal. It was even with us in exile. There are many who know. This is all I can say.

]]> By: chaim http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm/comment-page-1#comment-47564 chaim Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:51:40 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/cowards-mourn.htm#comment-47564 Good post Ovadiah. Some observations: It is really true that rabbis don't want the temple. But is because with the temple, their false authority is gone. The temple was more than a place. It was the centre where discussions ended. The high priest word was the true, and more in times of Urim and Tumim working. But, a simple question should to be done: Once the temple is built, who will be the priest? It is not enough to be Levi or Cohen to be priest, since this rol has to be hereditary and G-d choosen. If simply you put a levi there, nothing will work. I think the third temple may be built as just a building, as a monument, but, not as a real temple. Because, even if we have today the means to build the greatest temple ever, we have lost the priest line. Not by us, it was lost with the first temple destruction. Just a beatiful building, maybe the Sahnedrin, and so, but forget the Schina there... Good post Ovadiah.
Some observations: It is really true that rabbis don’t want the temple. But is because with the temple, their false authority is gone. The temple was more than a place. It was the centre where discussions ended. The high priest word was the true, and more in times of Urim and Tumim working.
But, a simple question should to be done:
Once the temple is built, who will be the priest?
It is not enough to be Levi or Cohen to be priest, since this rol has to be hereditary and G-d choosen. If simply you put a levi there, nothing will work.
I think the third temple may be built as just a building, as a monument, but, not as a real temple. Because, even if we have today the means to build the greatest temple ever, we have lost the priest line. Not by us, it was lost with the first temple destruction.
Just a beatiful building, maybe the Sahnedrin, and so, but forget the Schina there…

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