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	<description>A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict</description>
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		<title>By: Meshuga</title>
		<link>http://samsonblinded.org/blog/can-a-jewish-state-be-ethnic-blind.htm/comment-page-2#comment-115869</link>
		<dc:creator>Meshuga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Jewish state would be a halachic state.  Halacha recognizes one kind of non-Jews who may live in the land of Israel permanently; a geyr toshav (green card resident).  Enemies of Israel are lumped together with idolaters. Halacha is blind to ethnicity.  Anyone who fulfills the requirements of Halacha through geyrut is a legitimate Jew regardless of his/her ethnicity.

In a Jewish state we don&#039;t have to revoke the citizenship of people who are now citizens but would not qualify halachically.  A new halachic citizenship will be introduced and people who now have Israeli non-halachic citizenship will have the opportunity to apply for the new halachic citizenship after going through the proper naturalization (i.e. geyrut).  It&#039;s the same in the US...one has to endure a naturalization process.  If they don&#039;t want to naturalize they can be offered the geyr toshav if they qualify for that.  If they don&#039;t want geyr toshav, they can be offered a way out of the country and be compensated to settle in a different country of their choice.  Most EU countries can&#039;t wait to accept &quot;distressed&quot; Arabs and Palestinians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Jewish state would be a halachic state.  Halacha recognizes one kind of non-Jews who may live in the land of Israel permanently; a geyr toshav (green card resident).  Enemies of Israel are lumped together with idolaters. Halacha is blind to ethnicity.  Anyone who fulfills the requirements of Halacha through geyrut is a legitimate Jew regardless of his/her ethnicity.</p>
<p>In a Jewish state we don&#8217;t have to revoke the citizenship of people who are now citizens but would not qualify halachically.  A new halachic citizenship will be introduced and people who now have Israeli non-halachic citizenship will have the opportunity to apply for the new halachic citizenship after going through the proper naturalization (i.e. geyrut).  It&#8217;s the same in the US&#8230;one has to endure a naturalization process.  If they don&#8217;t want to naturalize they can be offered the geyr toshav if they qualify for that.  If they don&#8217;t want geyr toshav, they can be offered a way out of the country and be compensated to settle in a different country of their choice.  Most EU countries can&#8217;t wait to accept &#8220;distressed&#8221; Arabs and Palestinians.</p>
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		<title>By: Spring Wilde</title>
		<link>http://samsonblinded.org/blog/can-a-jewish-state-be-ethnic-blind.htm/comment-page-2#comment-114761</link>
		<dc:creator>Spring Wilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, AND ARE YOU FRIGGING KIDDING ME? I wouldn&#039;t put an Arab in the army if this entire globe was comprehensively empty of humans! They should all get transferred, unequivocally, to other Arab nations. And if this is not viewed favourably by other Arab nations, then put them on boats and disperse THEM for 2,000 years. 

Arabs have NO place whatsoever in Israel. None. Nada. Zilch. Zip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, AND ARE YOU FRIGGING KIDDING ME? I wouldn&#8217;t put an Arab in the army if this entire globe was comprehensively empty of humans! They should all get transferred, unequivocally, to other Arab nations. And if this is not viewed favourably by other Arab nations, then put them on boats and disperse THEM for 2,000 years. </p>
<p>Arabs have NO place whatsoever in Israel. None. Nada. Zilch. Zip.</p>
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		<title>By: Spring Wilde</title>
		<link>http://samsonblinded.org/blog/can-a-jewish-state-be-ethnic-blind.htm/comment-page-2#comment-114760</link>
		<dc:creator>Spring Wilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can a Jewish state be ethnic-blind?&quot;

And the answer is &quot;No, it does not have to be, and in Israel&#039;s case, it SHOULDN&#039;T be&quot;. Israel is faced with a perpetual danger of annihilation by its Arab inhabitants and neighbours, under the guise of &quot;poor refugees&quot;, &quot;robbed of land Arabs&quot; etc. 

The Arabs have clearly created the imaginary land called Palestine and the imaginary people called Palestinians. Israel is NOT their land, never was, never will be, and this charade, perpetrated by Satan himself, AKA Adolph Arafat MUST cease at any and all cost. Literally and figuratively. Israel  cannot (and should not) engage in tolerance of in-house fifth column. 

Ki Be Tachbulot Taase Milchama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can a Jewish state be ethnic-blind?&#8221;</p>
<p>And the answer is &#8220;No, it does not have to be, and in Israel&#8217;s case, it SHOULDN&#8217;T be&#8221;. Israel is faced with a perpetual danger of annihilation by its Arab inhabitants and neighbours, under the guise of &#8220;poor refugees&#8221;, &#8220;robbed of land Arabs&#8221; etc. </p>
<p>The Arabs have clearly created the imaginary land called Palestine and the imaginary people called Palestinians. Israel is NOT their land, never was, never will be, and this charade, perpetrated by Satan himself, AKA Adolph Arafat MUST cease at any and all cost. Literally and figuratively. Israel  cannot (and should not) engage in tolerance of in-house fifth column. </p>
<p>Ki Be Tachbulot Taase Milchama.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny the Admin</title>
		<link>http://samsonblinded.org/blog/can-a-jewish-state-be-ethnic-blind.htm/comment-page-2#comment-114756</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny the Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get out of the Occupied United States. Restore the land to Native Indians. Pay reparations for their murdered ancestors.
Then I will be willing to hear your lecturing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get out of the Occupied United States. Restore the land to Native Indians. Pay reparations for their murdered ancestors.<br />
Then I will be willing to hear your lecturing.</p>
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		<title>By: Eng</title>
		<link>http://samsonblinded.org/blog/can-a-jewish-state-be-ethnic-blind.htm/comment-page-2#comment-114752</link>
		<dc:creator>Eng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article would have made the Nazis proud. You make the following statements:

1. Everyone agrees that the 1948 refugees should not be allowed to return to Israel; thus everyone implicitly accepts Israel’s right to a Jewish state. 

By &quot;everyone&quot;, I assume you meant to exlude 98% of the population of the earth. And, I&#039;m sure you meant to imply that &quot;everyone&quot; has now discarded the Geneva Conventions and now support wars of conquest, and denial of refugees&#039; right of return. To each his own, I always say.

2. &quot;Smart friends counsel Israel to embrace the South African model of informal dominance. There, the white population officially accorded all democratic rights to the blacks but controls the country informally, mostly through superior economic performance. Such a scenario wouldn’t work in Israel. Moralistic Jews are not like the tough Boers, and Arabs are unlike the nice and decent South African blacks. White South Africans have mingled and intermarried with blacks for centuries, but Jewish-Muslim hostilities are still very fresh and will not cease bleeding until centuries pass.&quot;

This is just plain EVIL. So, you think South Africa &quot;worked&quot; because de facto Apartheid still exists despite the fact it is no longer a de jure Apartheid? This statement is more troubling to me than your other ramblings. For, it is, strangely more tolerable to me to believe that Israeli supporters tolerate Israeli Apartheid as a cynical ploy to maintain the fantasy of a &quot;Jewish state&quot;, but to endorse apartheid so enthusiastically in a situation not even involving Jews at all demonstrates a person who believes so sincerely in the Nazi concept of the &quot;master race&quot; that he is a dangerous lunatic. Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article would have made the Nazis proud. You make the following statements:</p>
<p>1. Everyone agrees that the 1948 refugees should not be allowed to return to Israel; thus everyone implicitly accepts Israel’s right to a Jewish state. </p>
<p>By &#8220;everyone&#8221;, I assume you meant to exlude 98% of the population of the earth. And, I&#8217;m sure you meant to imply that &#8220;everyone&#8221; has now discarded the Geneva Conventions and now support wars of conquest, and denial of refugees&#8217; right of return. To each his own, I always say.</p>
<p>2. &#8220;Smart friends counsel Israel to embrace the South African model of informal dominance. There, the white population officially accorded all democratic rights to the blacks but controls the country informally, mostly through superior economic performance. Such a scenario wouldn’t work in Israel. Moralistic Jews are not like the tough Boers, and Arabs are unlike the nice and decent South African blacks. White South Africans have mingled and intermarried with blacks for centuries, but Jewish-Muslim hostilities are still very fresh and will not cease bleeding until centuries pass.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is just plain EVIL. So, you think South Africa &#8220;worked&#8221; because de facto Apartheid still exists despite the fact it is no longer a de jure Apartheid? This statement is more troubling to me than your other ramblings. For, it is, strangely more tolerable to me to believe that Israeli supporters tolerate Israeli Apartheid as a cynical ploy to maintain the fantasy of a &#8220;Jewish state&#8221;, but to endorse apartheid so enthusiastically in a situation not even involving Jews at all demonstrates a person who believes so sincerely in the Nazi concept of the &#8220;master race&#8221; that he is a dangerous lunatic. Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: 'Aed</title>
		<link>http://samsonblinded.org/blog/can-a-jewish-state-be-ethnic-blind.htm/comment-page-2#comment-114580</link>
		<dc:creator>'Aed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palestinian refugees are for sure to come back to Palestine. Mind you, by Palestine, I mean their homes , should be in Tabarayya (Tiberias), Haifa, Yafa (Jaffa), Alquds (Jerusalem) or wherever they belong. 
Yet, its the zionists&#039; choice on when to bring peace to the whole area.
BTW, did you forget that there are Palestinian Christians, not just Muslims and Jews? The Palestinian mosaic is more diverse than you think. They all are to live together. They are here to stay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palestinian refugees are for sure to come back to Palestine. Mind you, by Palestine, I mean their homes , should be in Tabarayya (Tiberias), Haifa, Yafa (Jaffa), Alquds (Jerusalem) or wherever they belong.<br />
Yet, its the zionists&#8217; choice on when to bring peace to the whole area.<br />
BTW, did you forget that there are Palestinian Christians, not just Muslims and Jews? The Palestinian mosaic is more diverse than you think. They all are to live together. They are here to stay.</p>
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		<title>By: NormanF</title>
		<link>http://samsonblinded.org/blog/can-a-jewish-state-be-ethnic-blind.htm/comment-page-2#comment-112338</link>
		<dc:creator>NormanF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 04:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can Israel be a &quot;state of all its citizens?&quot; If Jews stop being Jewish of course. Nature though abhors a vacuum and a secular state is an absurd construct in Islam. The Muslim Arabs hate the Jews but they will fight a state of non-believers even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can Israel be a &#8220;state of all its citizens?&#8221; If Jews stop being Jewish of course. Nature though abhors a vacuum and a secular state is an absurd construct in Islam. The Muslim Arabs hate the Jews but they will fight a state of non-believers even more.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheldon Waxman</title>
		<link>http://samsonblinded.org/blog/can-a-jewish-state-be-ethnic-blind.htm/comment-page-2#comment-111818</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheldon Waxman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry you are correct. Massadah was the last act. And of course, the rebellion continued long after the Maccabbees--Probably not over until 190 C.E. when Christianity was taking effect and the Jews scattered and the Rabbinic System imposed by the Romans. Messianic Jews were those who would not bow down to Caesar as God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry you are correct. Massadah was the last act. And of course, the rebellion continued long after the Maccabbees&#8211;Probably not over until 190 C.E. when Christianity was taking effect and the Jews scattered and the Rabbinic System imposed by the Romans. Messianic Jews were those who would not bow down to Caesar as God.</p>
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		<title>By: AbuShy</title>
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		<dc:creator>AbuShy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Jews war with Rome last many decades after the fall of Jerusalem&quot;. Sheldon, are you referring to 70 AD, or The Bar Kochba rebellion and consequent &quot;sanctifying of the Name&quot; at Massada?

For people like 99, you might explain what you mean by Messianic Judaism. Certainly not the brand of today, found throughout Israel and in many large cities in the US. You would tell these Messianic Jews of today the same message you are sharing with me I assume, right?

How would they respond to the &quot;Jesus is a hypostasis approach&quot;? Or put another way, &quot;your hypostases built on sand&quot;?

&quot;The Romans desired to replace Messianic Judaism with a compliant religion.&quot; No duh. Aeoli Capitolina, Palestine...there is a very compliant world out there, including a very brain dead section of Israelis who insist on giving away real estate that is not theirs to give away, and all in the name of, well, you tell me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Jews war with Rome last many decades after the fall of Jerusalem&#8221;. Sheldon, are you referring to 70 AD, or The Bar Kochba rebellion and consequent &#8220;sanctifying of the Name&#8221; at Massada?</p>
<p>For people like 99, you might explain what you mean by Messianic Judaism. Certainly not the brand of today, found throughout Israel and in many large cities in the US. You would tell these Messianic Jews of today the same message you are sharing with me I assume, right?</p>
<p>How would they respond to the &#8220;Jesus is a hypostasis approach&#8221;? Or put another way, &#8220;your hypostases built on sand&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;The Romans desired to replace Messianic Judaism with a compliant religion.&#8221; No duh. Aeoli Capitolina, Palestine&#8230;there is a very compliant world out there, including a very brain dead section of Israelis who insist on giving away real estate that is not theirs to give away, and all in the name of, well, you tell me!</p>
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		<title>By: AbuShy</title>
		<link>http://samsonblinded.org/blog/can-a-jewish-state-be-ethnic-blind.htm/comment-page-2#comment-111798</link>
		<dc:creator>AbuShy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I don&#039;t doubt that you do get a chuckle. No problem. Just call me a fool for Christ if you want. And you are right, a slave. His bond slave in fact who will do His will even if it might compromise my standing in the eyes of others. So be it. I am in eternal debt to Him and only want to hear the words, &quot;Well done, good and faithful servant!&quot;  

I am also admonished by the words of Ezekiel who abased himself, as per God&#039;s will, much more than I have ever been exhorted to do, and all in an attempt to reach his own people who resided with him in the Babylonian exile, 2600 years ago. Without quoting except by memory and to paraphrase it thusly: &quot;If you will extend My Hand of Mercy to the lost, that is all I ask of you. Don&#039;t worry about their immediate reaction to My overture of Mercy to them. Someone has to do the job, and you volunteered! So say to the wicked, &#039;Why should you die? I, the Lord, have no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Repent of your ways and live!&#039;

Job done, son! Your blood is on your own head, if you tragically should choose the way of death over life. 

Chass vay chah-lee-lah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I don&#8217;t doubt that you do get a chuckle. No problem. Just call me a fool for Christ if you want. And you are right, a slave. His bond slave in fact who will do His will even if it might compromise my standing in the eyes of others. So be it. I am in eternal debt to Him and only want to hear the words, &#8220;Well done, good and faithful servant!&#8221;  </p>
<p>I am also admonished by the words of Ezekiel who abased himself, as per God&#8217;s will, much more than I have ever been exhorted to do, and all in an attempt to reach his own people who resided with him in the Babylonian exile, 2600 years ago. Without quoting except by memory and to paraphrase it thusly: &#8220;If you will extend My Hand of Mercy to the lost, that is all I ask of you. Don&#8217;t worry about their immediate reaction to My overture of Mercy to them. Someone has to do the job, and you volunteered! So say to the wicked, &#8216;Why should you die? I, the Lord, have no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Repent of your ways and live!&#8217;</p>
<p>Job done, son! Your blood is on your own head, if you tragically should choose the way of death over life. </p>
<p>Chass vay chah-lee-lah!</p>
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