Comments on: Babylon-21 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/babylon-21.htm A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:09:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Hanoch http://samsonblinded.org/blog/babylon-21.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114588 Hanoch Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:10:42 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1556#comment-114588 No so Kobi. The best available estimate is that a mere 0.5% of new material entered the gene pool of Ashkenazi Jews in each generation. When compared with non-Jewish groups, the closest match is with the Muslims of Kurdistan, not with the European peoples alongside whom Ashkenazi Jews lived for centuries or the Arab neighbors of many Sephardi populations. No so Kobi. The best available estimate is that a mere 0.5% of new material entered the gene pool of Ashkenazi Jews in each generation. When compared with non-Jewish groups, the closest match is with the Muslims of Kurdistan, not with the European peoples alongside whom Ashkenazi Jews lived for centuries or the Arab neighbors of many Sephardi populations.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/babylon-21.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114587 Danny the Admin Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:36:48 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1556#comment-114587 I won't define Jews in genetic terms. Perhaps, in cultural ones, something that can be vaguely described as "origin" and "background." Clearly, Ethiopian or Indian Jews share none of those with us. I won’t define Jews in genetic terms. Perhaps, in cultural ones, something that can be vaguely described as “origin” and “background.” Clearly, Ethiopian or Indian Jews share none of those with us.

]]> By: Kobi http://samsonblinded.org/blog/babylon-21.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114586 Kobi Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:50:44 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1556#comment-114586 "but I’m used to Jews being more or less white" "I should have made myself clear. Yemeni and Moroccans are of the same color as us, they belong to Caucasian race" I agree with some of your ideas, but... Jews(Hebrews) aren't white at all (only if they are mixed or had converts as ancestors). Caucasians - yes, but not white... just as Arabs/Berbers and others are caucasians too, but not white. And pushing your idea a little further, one could say that almost all ashkenazim can't be real Jews since they are not racially Jews and the ones who are related are really distant... In fact, I was reading 'INTERPRETING GEOGRAPHICAL PATTERNS OF Y CHROMOSOME VARIATION' and some other texts, and apparently you can find Lebanese and Syrian "arabs" that are genetically closer to middle eastern Jews than ashkenazi Jews are... “but I’m used to Jews being more or less white”

“I should have made myself clear. Yemeni and Moroccans are of the same color as us, they belong to Caucasian race”

I agree with some of your ideas, but… Jews(Hebrews) aren’t white at all (only if they are mixed or had converts as ancestors). Caucasians – yes, but not white… just as Arabs/Berbers and others are caucasians too, but not white.

And pushing your idea a little further, one could say that almost all ashkenazim can’t be real Jews since they are not racially Jews and the ones who are related are really distant…

In fact, I was reading ‘INTERPRETING GEOGRAPHICAL PATTERNS OF Y CHROMOSOME VARIATION’ and some other texts, and apparently you can find Lebanese and Syrian “arabs” that are genetically closer to middle eastern Jews than ashkenazi Jews are…

]]> By: AbuShy http://samsonblinded.org/blog/babylon-21.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114419 AbuShy Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:52:29 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1556#comment-114419 Dear Danny, your last comment more or less is answered by mine made just before this: "Jewish national survival is not our problem, but God’s, though it may be possible that he sent us the converts for survival. But how would Ethiopians help a Jewish nation? They are a burden." We look, for the most part, just like you in more than just skin color and worldview and cultural background. We're from the West. We're the best. We're not a burden in fact, if given an opportunity, would enrich the Jewish nation. "Exponentially" would not adequately describe just how much. Ephraim would be a good way to describe it, at least biblically. Or as the family member most loved of our father Jacob, and the one with both the rights as firstborn and the blessing, and as a people that are given the most land inheritance and the greatest resources and blessings. You have the rule. You're the governor. It is time, (Psalm 83, Ezekiel 37-38, Daniel 11) to work together to "thwart" our mutual enemies and exalt our mutual Eloheem. Sincerely. Dear Danny,

your last comment more or less is answered by mine made just before this:

“Jewish national survival is not our problem, but God’s, though it may be possible that he sent us the converts for survival. But how would Ethiopians help a Jewish nation? They are a burden.”

We look, for the most part, just like you in more than just skin color and worldview and cultural background. We’re from the West. We’re the best.
We’re not a burden in fact, if given an opportunity, would enrich the Jewish nation. “Exponentially” would not adequately describe just how much. Ephraim would be a good way to describe it, at least biblically. Or as the family member most loved of our father Jacob, and the one with both the rights as firstborn and the blessing, and as a people that are given the most land inheritance and the greatest resources and blessings.

You have the rule. You’re the governor.

It is time, (Psalm 83, Ezekiel 37-38, Daniel 11) to work together to “thwart” our mutual enemies and exalt our mutual Eloheem.

Sincerely.

]]> By: AbuShy http://samsonblinded.org/blog/babylon-21.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114418 AbuShy Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:38:15 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1556#comment-114418 Dear Obadiah, Almost at the end of this piece, the 3rd to last sentence you started it by saying, "There were very different Jews of Israel and Judea..." They are STILL very different today. Whereas you, as Jews kept your identity, we as Israelites did not. That is, up til the last few years --- less than 30 years ago it started in earnest. I am sitting a biding my time, this time, to wait and "have the last word", as it were. The mis-named (for the present time of Jewish only identity) country (it should have been referred to as Judea or the nation of Judah) needs the other 10 tribes. That is obvious though much harder, I suppose, than accepting Jews with other skin colors. Let the Israelites come home. Then you will not only have, as you say, the day when the prophets predicted that "...all nations would recognize a Jewish God." You would have both kingdoms that were more than just different; they were different in every way EXCEPT in the way they looked, which was identical with each other. Right now you are desperately scrambling to fill up a small country with enough Jews to defend yourselves from the Islamic onslaught and to replenish a very assimilating diaspora Jewry that is decimating itself into non-existence in about the same ratio (inversely) as the Arab/Moslem world grows in numbers demographically. And as always, like some pathetic Cheech and Chong routine in which Dave (let's call that 'Dave' the Israelites) "is not here" according to the Dave behind the door who is looking for him (that's you, the Jewish House of Dave)--- as always, in your attempt to do everything yourself by yourself... Let me quote you again, "We had lived to the end of times and that is happening now. Fine, but they don’t need to move to our Jerusalem. Let them feel themselves Jewish and live in the countries of their residence. After some centuries of persecution there, a history of survival and outsmarting their local detractors, today’s proselytes might indeed become like us—if not in their look, then in their behavioral patterns. But not today." Yeah, we know, "Dave's not here!" Well, we aint Dave, Dave! You're Jews (Judea, the Southern Kingdom or nation). We're Israelites and there are WAY more of us (at least 5 to 1). But most of all you not only need us, we are the only ones who are really interested, and for all the right reasons, to come home. It is time to stop slamming the door before the world itself steps in, sticks it's foot in the way and refuses to leave. Dear Obadiah,

Almost at the end of this piece, the 3rd to last sentence you started it by saying, “There were very different Jews of Israel and Judea…”

They are STILL very different today. Whereas you, as Jews kept your identity, we as Israelites did not. That is, up til the last few years — less than 30 years ago it started in earnest.

I am sitting a biding my time, this time, to wait and “have the last word”, as it were.

The mis-named (for the present time of Jewish only identity) country (it should have been referred to as Judea or the nation of Judah) needs the other 10 tribes. That is obvious though much harder, I suppose, than accepting Jews with other skin colors.

Let the Israelites come home. Then you will not only have, as you say, the day when the prophets predicted that “…all nations would recognize a Jewish God.” You would have both kingdoms that were more than just different; they were different in every way EXCEPT in the way they looked, which was identical with each other. Right now you are desperately scrambling to fill up a small country with enough Jews to defend yourselves from the Islamic onslaught and to replenish a very assimilating diaspora Jewry that is decimating itself into non-existence in about the same ratio (inversely) as the Arab/Moslem world grows in numbers demographically.

And as always, like some pathetic Cheech and Chong routine in which Dave (let’s call that ‘Dave’ the Israelites) “is not here” according to the Dave behind the door who is looking for him (that’s you, the Jewish House of Dave)— as always, in your attempt to do everything yourself by yourself…

Let me quote you again, “We had lived to the end of times and that is happening now. Fine, but they don’t need to move to our Jerusalem. Let them feel themselves Jewish and live in the countries of their residence. After some centuries of persecution there, a history of survival and outsmarting their local detractors, today’s proselytes might indeed become like us—if not in their look, then in their behavioral patterns. But not today.”

Yeah, we know, “Dave’s not here!”

Well, we aint Dave, Dave! You’re Jews (Judea, the Southern Kingdom or nation). We’re Israelites and there are WAY more of us (at least 5 to 1).

But most of all you not only need us, we are the only ones who are really interested, and for all the right reasons, to come home.

It is time to stop slamming the door before the world itself steps in, sticks it’s foot in the way and refuses to leave.

]]> By: Danny the Admin http://samsonblinded.org/blog/babylon-21.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114396 Danny the Admin Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:57:30 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1556#comment-114396 Jewish national survival is not our problem, but God's, though it may be possible that he sent us the converts for survival. But how would Ethiopians help a Jewish nation? They are a burden. Jewish national survival is not our problem, but God’s, though it may be possible that he sent us the converts for survival. But how would Ethiopians help a Jewish nation? They are a burden.

]]> By: Ray Bright http://samsonblinded.org/blog/babylon-21.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114395 Ray Bright Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:14:44 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1556#comment-114395 Eli (Toronto,CA), The genetic engineering in Sparta was extremely primitive. They just got rid of the sickly looking babies. They had no method for selecting the best genes for the future generations. * It makes sense that Jews should have the best genes. At the same time we should try to genetically engineer the Arabs, especially we should lower their fertility rate to some 1.2 child per woman. Then the problem is solved all by itself within a generation. Eli (Toronto,CA),
The genetic engineering in Sparta was extremely primitive. They just got rid of the sickly looking babies. They had no method for selecting the best genes for the future generations.
*
It makes sense that Jews should have the best genes.
At the same time we should try to genetically engineer the Arabs, especially we should lower their fertility rate to some 1.2 child per woman. Then the problem is solved all by itself within a generation.

]]> By: Leon http://samsonblinded.org/blog/babylon-21.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114392 Leon Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:44:04 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1556#comment-114392 Obadiah is very wrong, if you wont to survive, convert as many as you could best without complite regards to color. Obadiah is very wrong, if you wont to survive, convert as many as you could best without complite regards to color.

]]> By: Eli http://samsonblinded.org/blog/babylon-21.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114376 Eli Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:38:00 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1556#comment-114376 Yes, Ray. This is Sparta! Yes, Ray. This is Sparta!

]]> By: Ray Bright http://samsonblinded.org/blog/babylon-21.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114373 Ray Bright Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:07:25 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/blog/?p=1556#comment-114373 Membership in Jewish nation cannot be determined by genes. In at the most 2 generations from now, parents will be choosing the best genes possible for their children. (Already, one generation from now, they will eliminate negative genes causing genetic diseases.) * Future Jewish parents will chose the best possible genes with respect to personality, health, beauty, intelligence, physical strength, longevity, courage, and every other quality which is affected by genes. The future Jewish kids may look Semitic, Nordic, or Afro, or all of the above. The important thing is that they will come out of Jewish mother's womb, will grow up in a Jewish family, learn Jewish way of thinking and Jewish values including the love of their nation. They will be brought up to be faithful to the nation and the country, and will honor Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as their forefathers whether notwithstanding how many of their genes they carry. (They will have better genes than all of their ancestors.) The Jewish nation transcends the Jewish genes, which are often sickly and mutated. Our genes are not us, just like our cars are not us. If a person at his birth was give a car by his parents, and if that was the only car he could have in his whole life, and if he could never get out of the car he may start thinking of himself as a Ferrari, or a Volkswagen. He is neither, meanwhile his parents would naturally want to chose the best possible vehicle for their child. This is our future. Let's face it, and let's accept a very different definition of nationhood. Membership in Jewish nation cannot be determined by genes.
In at the most 2 generations from now, parents will be choosing the best genes possible for their children.
(Already, one generation from now, they will eliminate negative genes causing genetic diseases.)
*
Future Jewish parents will chose the best possible genes with respect to personality, health, beauty, intelligence, physical strength, longevity, courage, and every other quality which is affected by genes.
The future Jewish kids may look Semitic, Nordic, or Afro, or all of the above. The important thing is that they will come out of Jewish mother’s womb, will grow up in a Jewish family, learn Jewish way of thinking and Jewish values including the love of their nation. They will be brought up to be faithful to the nation and the country, and will honor Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as their forefathers whether notwithstanding how many of their genes they carry. (They will have better genes than all of their ancestors.)
The Jewish nation transcends the Jewish genes, which are often sickly and mutated.
Our genes are not us, just like our cars are not us. If a person at his birth was give a car by his parents, and if that was the only car he could have in his whole life, and if he could never get out of the car he may start thinking of himself as a Ferrari, or a Volkswagen. He is neither, meanwhile his parents would naturally want to chose the best possible vehicle for their child. This is our future. Let’s face it, and let’s accept a very different definition of nationhood.

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